Author Topic: Chamber of Angels wording (Read 2417 times)

Ninja Duck · « **on:** October 07, 2011, 03:59:57 PM »

"Set this fortress aside. If holder’s angel is being discarded, place it here instead. After two turns, return Hero to the top of your draw pile."

So if my fallen angel, evil angel, or Angel of the Lord is about to be discarded, i could put in chamber, then play A New Beginning and get it back in my deck.

browarod · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:03:32 PM »

Since it doesn't say "in the title," it is referring solely to the identifier "angel."

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:31:37 PM »

Quote from: REG

Angel

One possible role of a character (see Character’s Role and Gender ) is angel. Angels are non-human Heroes often depicted with wings.

Emphasis mine.

That would be pretty cool if you could do that, though.

lightningninja · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2011, 06:28:01 PM »

Quote from: Ninja Duck on October 07, 2011, 03:59:57 PM

"Set this fortress aside. If holder’s angel is being discarded, place it here instead. After two turns, return Hero to the top of your draw pile."

So if my fallen angel, evil angel, or Angel of the Lord is about to be discarded, i could put in chamber, then play A New Beginning and get it back in my deck.

This word "hero" proves that it's only the angel identifer, they are heroes.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:35:00 PM »

That instance of the word proves only heroes go on top of deck with Chamber's ability, but that isn't what the OP was asking.

lightningninja · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2011, 12:20:11 AM »

Well, he was asking if those non-hero cards go to Chamber, I think I answered that.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2011, 08:58:59 AM »

Quote from: lightningninja on October 08, 2011, 12:20:11 AM

Well, he was asking if those non-hero cards go to Chamber, I think I answered that.

Not really. The identifier of what is an angel matters here, not what Chamber says. This is consistent with the ruling for Fishing Boat (that Judas can be placed in it, but unless he's converted, cannot be put under or count for X). If "Angel" didn't have "Hero" has part of the identifier, then at the very least, Fallen Angel and Evil Angel would likely be able to go in Chamber, though as mentioned, they couldn't be put on top of the deck.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:45:12 AM »

Evil angels are not angels, they are demons. It's the same reason why evil Salome can't be converted and use TGT.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2011, 02:12:44 PM »

Quote from: Ninja Duck on October 07, 2011, 03:59:57 PM

So if my fallen angel, evil angel, or Angel of the Lord is about to be discarded, i could put in chamber, then play A New Beginning and get it back in my deck.

So after we all finish debating who was the most right, and for the best reason, the final answer is "No."

lightningninja · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2011, 12:50:50 AM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 08, 2011, 08:58:59 AM

Quote from: lightningninja on October 08, 2011, 12:20:11 AM
Well, he was asking if those non-hero cards go to Chamber, I think I answered that.

Not really. The identifier of what is an angel matters here, not what Chamber says. This is consistent with the ruling for Fishing Boat (that Judas can be placed in it, but unless he's converted, cannot be put under or count for X). If "Angel" didn't have "Hero" has part of the identifier, then at the very least, Fallen Angel and Evil Angel would likely be able to go in Chamber, though as mentioned, they couldn't be put on top of the deck.

This is false. If you read chamber, if angels did NOT have an identifier, Fallen angel would still NOT go because he's not a hero.

browarod · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2011, 01:37:01 AM »

Actually, the hero in the return sentence is referring to those cards from the first sentence that are heroes. If there was a non-hero that was an angel, it would still go to Chamber (I think a recent thread had Innumerable in a situation such as this), however it would sit there indefinitely as the return only targets heroes.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2011, 08:30:49 AM »

Exactly. It would be the same logic behind why Judas can enter fishing boat. Boat holds 12 Disciples, however, only good Disciples can be placed under or counted for X. This is, however, a pretty wild hypothetical.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #12 on:** October 10, 2011, 12:39:19 PM »

Evil "Angels" are never Angels in Redemption, even if they have "Angel" in the name. They are demons.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #13 on:** October 10, 2011, 12:42:53 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on October 07, 2011, 04:31:37 PM

Quote from: REG
Angel

One possible role of a character (see Character’s Role and Gender ) is angel. Angels are non-human Heroes often depicted with wings.
Emphasis mine.

Just want to restate this as it seemed to be ignored. A non-hero angel is a contradiction according to the REG.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #14 on:** October 10, 2011, 01:26:43 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 10, 2011, 08:30:49 AM

This is, however, a pretty wild hypothetical.

Quote from: Dictionary.com

hy·po·thet·i·cal
[hahy-puh-thet-i-kuhl]
adjective.
1.
assumed by hypothesis; supposed: a hypothetical case.
2.
of, pertaining to, involving, or characterized by hypothesis: hypothetical reasoning.
3.
given to making hypotheses.
4.
Logic .
a.
(of a proposition) highly conjectural; not well supported by available evidence.
b.
(of a proposition or syllogism) conditional.

I'm well aware that this isn't actually possible, thanks.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2011, 01:37:47 PM »

My summary of this thread:
Person A: I'M RIGHT
Person B: I'M RIGHT, USING THE SAME REASONING
Person A: BUT I'M MORE RIGHT
Person B: THE REG SAYS I'M RIGHTEST.
etc.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2011, 02:06:08 PM »

It's not about being more right, it's about being right using the right reasoning.

browarod · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2011, 02:18:54 PM »

I'm just trying to help clarify, I'm not trying to extend the competition, lol.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2011, 03:52:10 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on October 10, 2011, 01:37:47 PM

My summary of this thread:
Person A: I'M RIGHT
Person B: I'M RIGHT, USING THE SAME REASONING
Person A: BUT I'M MORE RIGHT
Person B: THE REG SAYS I'M RIGHTEST.
etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvllQl5t4Ww

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2011, 06:06:35 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 10, 2011, 03:52:10 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on October 10, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
My summary of this thread:
Person A: I'M RIGHT
Person B: I'M RIGHT, USING THE SAME REASONING
Person A: BUT I'M MORE RIGHT
Person B: THE REG SAYS I'M RIGHTEST.
etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvllQl5t4Ww

Get Outta Here Freshman!

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2011, 06:24:40 PM »

I've been playing two years longer than you son. Your argument is invalid.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2011, 06:28:34 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 10, 2011, 06:24:40 PM

I've been playing two years longer than you son. Your argument is invalid.

However, you are a freshman.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 10, 2011, 06:34:09 PM »

Because a spent a year of my life doing some serious soul searching which mostly consisted of messing around playing video games. What of it?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #23 on:** October 10, 2011, 06:35:51 PM »

Well, this thread seems to have run out of productivity.

News:

Author Topic: Chamber of Angels wording (Read 2417 times)

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