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Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« on: July 11, 2017, 05:11:14 PM »
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Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements with brigades other than the ones in battle, as they would also be restricted from being played?



"A toss ability allows a player to play an enhancement in a different way than usual"
"A toss ability targets the enhancements that would be played."
"Enhancements discarded to the toss ability are played from hand."

Also wondering if there is a definitive ruling on whether neutral brigades count toward the brigades he is restricting.

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 05:18:07 PM »
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He restricts tossed and non-tossed enhancements the same. As for neutral and good brigades, the alignment of the brigades was ruled not to matter, just the color, so if you're blocked by him but have for example Ends of the Earth in battle, Ends counts as every color a good brigade can have so you would not be restricted from playing any color of good enhancements.

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2017, 06:32:19 PM »
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I definitely agree with the first part. You cannot toss what you cannot play.

Can you point me to the ruling about a site in battle allowing the brigades on it to be played?
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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2017, 06:51:39 PM »
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Can you point me to the ruling about a site in battle allowing the brigades on it to be played?

I thought this was still up in the air for discussion. I can easily see how "good" could apply to "brigades" in his special ability, but also wonder because of alignment non specific cards like Affliction of Job. I could see it either way, but it would be nice to have a definitive ruling.

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2017, 06:59:27 PM »
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I definitely agree with the first part. You cannot toss what you cannot play.

Can you point me to the ruling about a site in battle allowing the brigades on it to be played?

I looked back at back at the thread I was thinking of and realized it was not directly ruled that way, but the discussion ended when a previous ruling about a different card but a similar concept was brought up where X=opponent's brigades was ruled to count each color as 1 regardless of alignment (If you have one of each good brigade in play plus a rainbow site it would still only count as 9 for x).

In that previous thread I originally was arguing that a rainbow site would not count towards Ananias' restriction of good enhancements but it would make sense to me that wording means they treat good brigades and their neutral equivalents as the same brigade since that card and Ananias both have the same wording (brigade instead of good brigade).

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2017, 07:07:19 PM »
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Right and it makes sense on Affliction of Job. I guess where I could still see "good" applying is where cards like Every Man's Sword say "multi brigade good or evil" where I initially thought that it could be a multi brigade good card, or any evil card. Turns out multi brigade applies to both good and evil in Every Man's Sword. This is where I could potentially see High Priest being ruled either way.



Would prefer a definitive ruling here.

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2017, 07:08:22 PM »
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Right and it makes sense on Affliction of Job. I guess where I could still see "good" applying is where cards like Every Man's Sword say "multi brigade good or evil" where I initially thought that it could be a multi brigade good card, or any evil card. Turns out multi brigade applies to both good and evil in Every Man's Sword. This is where I could potentially see High Priest being ruled either way.



Would prefer a definitive ruling here.

I agree a definitive ruling is needed.

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 07:15:28 PM »
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"The Hero brigades are as follows:
● Blue, Clay, Gold, Green, Purple, Red, Silver, Teal, and White.
The Evil Character brigades are as follows:
● Black, Brown, Crimson, Gold, Gray, Orange, and Pale Green."

"Covenants retain their
alignment and brigade when active as an Artifact."

"A site in battle grants the Hero(es) in battle access to any Lost Soul in a site of
matching brigade."

"Alignment
There are three card alignments in Redemption®: good cards, evil cards, and neutral cards."

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 07:19:15 PM »
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"The Hero brigades are as follows:
● Blue, Clay, Gold, Green, Purple, Red, Silver, Teal, and White.
The Evil Character brigades are as follows:
● Black, Brown, Crimson, Gold, Gray, Orange, and Pale Green."

"Covenants retain their
alignment and brigade when active as an Artifact."

"A site in battle grants the Hero(es) in battle access to any Lost Soul in a site of
matching brigade."

"Alignment
There are three card alignments in Redemption®: good cards, evil cards, and neutral cards."

Thanks for posting those but I don't think any of that is actually relevant to Ananias. All that matters is when a card simply refers to "a brigade" does that refer color and alignment separately or simply color regardless of alignment. I'm not sure how I can it being one way for Affliction of Job but another for Ananias, though.

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2017, 03:42:35 AM »
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Can you point me to the ruling about a site in battle allowing the brigades on it to be played?

I thought this was still up in the air for discussion. I can easily see how "good" could apply to "brigades" in his special ability, but also wonder because of alignment non specific cards like Affliction of Job. I could see it either way, but it would be nice to have a definitive ruling.

I would give this point on it: HPA doesn't say "Good Brigades", just "Brigades" and as such unless Neutral Brigades count for cards like Endurance of Job or anything that just counts Brigades, which I don't think is right.

Otherwise, Neutral Brigades would count for HPA as they are the same Brigade names as the Good Brigades because HSA is not looking for good brigades, just brigades.

But what about DAE's? Does the evil brigade have to be in battle to be used as well or is it only checking Good Brigades?
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2017, 07:37:23 AM »
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I definitely agree with the first part. You cannot toss what you cannot play.

Can you point me to the ruling about a site in battle allowing the brigades on it to be played?

I really don't get it.

HPA says "While High Priest Ananias is blocking, restrict opponent from playing good Enhancements with a brigade not already in battle."

If a rainbow site is in battle, then every Hero brigade is in battle, which means opponent may play rainbow or multi-color green-something enhancements even if his Hero is e.g. only green.
Also if opponent has only green and white hero in battle, then he may play a green-white enhancement on a green hero, because none of these brigades weren't not already in battle.
Even if he had only a green WC hero with a rainbow weapon in battle before HPA enters battle, then it would be logical that the restriction wouldn't work as all Hero brigades ware already in battle before HPA came.

As far as I see it, the HPA restrict players of playing multi-color enhancements if some of their colors are not already in battle...

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2017, 10:18:39 AM »
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Ivek,

Brigades on Sites are not "good" brigades, they are neutral brigades (even though they are the same colors as the good brigades). That is why the question is coming up with regards to the Sites.
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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2017, 11:25:50 AM »
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Thanks for your patience while we reviewed this question in light of the game as a whole. We agree that it is accurate and consistent for a Site to count as a brigade in battle for the purpose of High Priest Ananias. In summary a multi-brigade Site would allow you to play any good Enhancement unrestricted.
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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2017, 12:58:56 PM »
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Thanks for your patience while we reviewed this question in light of the game as a whole. We agree that it is accurate and consistent for a Site to count as a brigade in battle for the purpose of High Priest Ananias. In summary a multi-brigade Site would allow you to play any good Enhancement unrestricted.

So what about DAE's? Does the Evil brigade have to be in battle as well or just the good Brigades?
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2017, 01:05:18 PM »
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DAE's lose their other alignment once played

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Re: Does High Priest Ananias restrict tossing enhancements..
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2017, 04:25:43 PM »
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DAE's lose their other alignment once played

I was leaning towards that as well, but Noah W disagreed, and we never came to a conclusion.
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

 


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