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If an opponent uses a draw or search ability (except on a musician), you may search deck or discard pile for up to 2 good cards that involve music.
Once per round, you may heal another clay Hero. If Peter is captured, search deck for an Acts angel. Good Acts Enhancements play on Peter cannot be negated.
I would say "No", but INE. I view this the same way as I view converted characters in battle leaving battle because their alignment has changed: The converted characters aren't "Withdrawing". I.e., the action you take is exactly the same as a specified special ability, but it actually isn't that ability. Music Leader doesn't trigger with a Heal, Herod Agrippa II doesn't trigger when another EC in battle is converted and withdraws to territory, etc.
Clarifications● An ability that targets a card in a deck, discard pile, or Artifact Pile that is not in a specific location in that pile,includes an implied searchof the pile for the target.
I would have to rule that heal is just like exchange, and that heal targeting discard includes an implicit search. Never thought of that, but it has to be that way based on current definitions.
Is there an FAQ or something that we can add this to? Can we add this to the "Heal" section of the REG? There is no way that I would have ruled a "Heal" as a "Search." These are the kind of rulings that make being a host/judge frustrating for me.
I.e., the action you take is exactly the same as a specified special ability, but it actually isn't that ability. Music Leader doesn't trigger with a Heal, Herod Agrippa II doesn't trigger when another EC in battle is converted and withdraws to territory, etc.
I wasn't actually asking why it wasn't there, I was asking if it could now be added.
Agrippa says if a hero withdraws, not if a withdraw ability is used, capture the hero. Something like Conversion or CTR is not a withdraw ability but it causes the hero to withdraw, so Agrippa captures it. CTR abilities like Lies, however, will never gain CBN status from Herod's Praetorium because Praetorium specifies 'withdraw abilities'. I recently talked to 3 Elders about this and they were all about 95% sure that Lies works with Agrippa. I didn't ask about conversion, but if conversion functions as you say, then it will also work if lies does.
But I really don't think if you heal from discard pile that healing then constitutes as a search ability, because searching has distinct parts that are not all fulfilled when you heal a character from discard pile....I am not entirely convinced that Healing has to search though, why can't it look? Or can you target a character in discard pile without searching for it?
An ability that targets a card in a deck, discard pile, or Artifact Pile that is not in a specific location in that pile, includes an implied search of the pile for the target.
Heal abilities target the characters that are to be healed.
I get that, I was mostly speaking to your frustration remark. We're definitely trying to make things easier for hosts, and players, to be able to follow the rules; any feedback is appreciated on that front.
I actually disagree with the ruling. Heal includes an implicit search, just like exchange, but is not a "search ability" (neither is exchange). Music Leader specifies "draw or search ability" whereas Signet Ring simply restricts from "searching." A heal searches but is not a search ability so I would think that Signet Ring would restrict it but it would not trigger Music Leader.
Healing a character in discard pile includes a search of discard pile. It is stopped by Signet Ring and triggers Music Leader in the same way that AutO trying to exchange to discard pile would.
