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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: SoulSaver on February 02, 2009, 02:35:14 PM

Title: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: SoulSaver on February 02, 2009, 02:35:14 PM

When Momentum Change says when Evil Character loses battle what does that exactly mean? Does it mean if an evil character was discarded or does it mean when a hero rescues a lost soul against that evil character? What does loses battle mean?!?!?!?

Title: Re: Momentum Change?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 02:37:13 PM

It means when the ec loses, be it ignore, discard, capture etc, to answer what you are thinking, No it doesn't have to be VS a hero.

Title: Re: Momentum Change?
Post by: SoulSaver on February 02, 2009, 02:38:18 PM

So Deluge of Rain would return to my hand after Momentum Change was played?

Title: Re: Momentum Change?
Post by: The Schaef on February 02, 2009, 02:41:52 PM

No.  Mutual Destruction by special ability is a win for the EC.

Title: Re: Momentum Change?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 02:42:55 PM

+1 but nice try.

Title: Re: Momentum Change?
Post by: SoulSaver on February 02, 2009, 02:44:49 PM

That's what I thought. What about Death of Unrighteous would that work?

Title: Re: Momentum Change?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 02:54:28 PM

I would say yes, if you use self.

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: SoulSaver on February 02, 2009, 02:55:44 PM

So it does work? :prayer:

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 02:59:09 PM

Yes sir, So does failed objective. Thats why you cant negate them, they make the ec lose the battle.

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: SoulSaver on February 02, 2009, 03:01:30 PM

Thanks a million! ;)

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 03:04:06 PM

Np ;) Go break the game daniel!

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: SirNobody on February 02, 2009, 03:19:53 PM

Hey,

In every battle either the attacker or the defender wins (and the other loses).

The attacker wins if any of the following are true:
 - the battle is in the "hero winning" state
 - the battle is in the "mutual destruction" state
 - there are no evil characters in battle and a hero is in battle

The defender wins if any of the following are true:
 - the battle is in the "evil character winning" state
 - the battle is in the "stalemate" state
 - there are no heroes in battle

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2009, 05:15:52 PM

Quote from: SirNobody on February 02, 2009, 03:19:53 PM

The defender wins if any of the following are true:
 - the battle is in the "evil character winning" state
 - the battle is in the "stalemate" state
 - there are no heroes in battle

Does this mean that Samson's Sacrifice isn't a battle-winner?

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: TimMierz on February 02, 2009, 05:18:23 PM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2009, 05:15:52 PM

Quote from: SirNobody on February 02, 2009, 03:19:53 PM

The defender wins if any of the following are true:
 - the battle is in the "evil character winning" state
 - the battle is in the "stalemate" state
 - there are no heroes in battle

Does this mean that Samson's Sacrifice isn't a battle-winner?

Correct. Mutual destruction by special ability is a win for the evil forces.

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: BubbleBoy on February 02, 2009, 05:22:53 PM

I thought I remembered reading in the rulebook that whoever played the mutual discard was the winner of the battle, because they sacrificed themselves for the cause?

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 05:31:31 PM

Thats mutual destruction by #s.

Title: Re: Does Death of Unrighteous work with Momentum Change?
Post by: Rubber band warrior on February 02, 2009, 05:51:11 PM

Specifically, a hero gets a lost soul if the battle ends in a mutual destruction by the numbers.

A hero does not get a lost soul if they are removed from the battle due to a special ability, i.e. Joseph in Prison or Deluge of Rain.