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It has just come to my attention (during a game) that The Winged Lion is considered a Babylonian.  I know that there are currently questions about whether a person belongs to a nationality based on bloodline, adoption, marriage, etc.  However, I don't think anyone would say that a demon is actually a citizen of Babylon.  Am I missing something here, or should identifiers like this one be done away with on all demons?

The question isn't whether they do.  The question is whether they should

Well honestly the 4 "demons" in daniel's dream were not demons but representations of  nations so I would say they are a special case. Just like Prince of persia (persian) Or Prince of greece (greek)

See this is exactly the problem.  Either the demons "were not demons", or they were not Babylonians, but they can't be both.

Horse is already out of the barn.  The question was raised in development and the idea went forward.

The Bible talks about territorial and regional spirits.  When a card is made to represent one of those spirits I see no reason not to tie it directly to that nationality or race.

It's not clear to me why you disagree with this.  Could you explain?

Scripture identifies them with these cultures.  If Redemption does as well, I have no issue with that.

Sean

Hey,

There are almost always multiple possible ways of turning a prophetic statement into a Redemption card, because a prophecy can represent different things with different methods of interpritation (the two most obvious being a litteral interpritation and a symbolic interpritation).  There are already several examples of prophicies that went two different ways in Redemption: Beast from the Earth (a demon) and The False Prophet (a human) are the same person and The fourth seal (a good enhancement) and Death & Hades (an Evil Character) are the same prophecy.  In the case of the four demons from Daniel's vision Cactus chose to encompass the literal interpritation (their beast-ness) and symbolic interpritation (their racial-ness) on the same card and I don't see a problem with that.

It reminds me a lot of the decision to use Josephus as a "refeence" on a couple cards from the Apostles set.  It was definately a stretch to the status quo of the system for what we expect on cards.  But it was done very intentionally, it didn't result in a huge paradigm shift, and in the end the game is better for it.

And on a side note, I really like how the demons interact (in the game) with their race and the other races.  It was a wonderful idea of a way to continue developing the racial themes while not alienating demons from racial decks.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
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