Author Topic: Disagreement Over Mark (Read 1501 times)

Josh · « **on:** June 16, 2015, 11:21:00 AM »

I attack with a NT hero. My opponent blocks, has initiative, and plays Disagreement Over Mark. Can I negate DOM with an OT GE? Based on the Creeping Deceiver ruling, I'm thinking I can't.

Disagreement Over Mark - Underdeck 2 Heroes. Cannot be negated by a N.T. card.

browarod · « **Reply #1 on:** June 16, 2015, 11:24:46 AM »

I don't believe you can since the enhancement is considered "used" by the N.T. character, and DOM cannot be negated by N.T.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #2 on:** June 16, 2015, 11:28:25 AM »

I agree. The character is using the negate ability, so if the character is NT, then it can't negate DOM.

Praeceps · « **Reply #3 on:** June 16, 2015, 12:53:43 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on June 16, 2015, 11:28:25 AM

I agree. The character is using the negate ability, so if the character is NT, then it can't negate DOM.

This is how this has been ruled the last time it came up.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #4 on:** June 16, 2015, 04:18:39 PM »

So I guess there is no disagreement over Disagreement Over Mark.

Eragon5 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 16, 2015, 05:21:19 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on June 16, 2015, 04:18:39 PM

So I guess there is no disagreement over Disagreement Over Mark.

I disagree with that remark.

Jesusman · « **Reply #6 on:** June 16, 2015, 05:52:37 PM »

This may sound like a silly question, but ... Why wouldn't he be able to?

If he uses a NT hero, but uses an OT enhancement, like Bow and Arrow (negate the last evil enhancement played in current battle), then he's using an OT enhancement. Besides, Disagreement Over Mark specifically says "N.T. Card" not "N.T. Character", as opposed to Creeping Deceiver which specifically specifies "Character" in the special ability. After all, it wouldn't be the Character's Special Ability negating Disagreement Over Mark, but it would be the Enhancement's special ability negating Disagreement over Mark.

Jesusman

Cnakeeyes · « **Reply #7 on:** June 16, 2015, 06:06:33 PM »

I don't see why it wouldn't work either its not a N.T. negating it its an O.T. enhancment.

Josh · « **Reply #8 on:** June 16, 2015, 06:16:50 PM »

Enhancements are always played by characters. That's why Creeping Deceiver isn't negated when he plays Midianite Attack in battle, even though MA is an enhancement. The same logic applies to DOM. Since a NT hero is using the OT enhancement, an NT card is trying to negate DOM, which can't happen.

EDIT: The interesting question is... Can an OT hero negate DOM with a NT enhancement?

Jesusman · « **Reply #9 on:** June 16, 2015, 06:53:29 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on June 16, 2015, 06:16:50 PM

Enhancements are always played by characters. That's why Creeping Deceiver isn't negated when he plays Midianite Attack in battle, even though MA is an enhancement. The same logic applies to DOM. Since a NT hero is using the OT enhancement, an NT card is trying to negate DOM, which can't happen.

EDIT: The interesting question is... Can an OT hero negate DOM with a NT enhancement?

This is what I don't understand. It's not the Hero's ability negating DOM, it's the enhancement's ability. So, why is it the Hero's qualities that's the determining factor and not the enhancement being used?

Jesusman

Praeceps · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2015, 11:10:53 PM »

Because Characters play enhancements. the effects of an enhancement can only enter the battlefield if it does so through a character. It's the same logic as to interrupting an enhancement and discarding/shuffling/under-decking/etc. the character it was played on in order to fizzle the enhancement.

Quote from: jmhartz on June 16, 2015, 06:16:50 PM

EDIT: The interesting question is... Can an OT hero negate DOM with a NT enhancement?

I believe the answer to this was that no, it couldn't. I may be remembering wrong, but I think both hero and enhancement had to be OT to stop DoM.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #11 on:** June 17, 2015, 07:50:32 AM »

Quote from: Praeceps on June 16, 2015, 06:16:50 PM

Quote from: jmhartz on June 16, 2015, 06:16:50 PM
EDIT: The interesting question is... Can an OT hero negate DOM with a NT enhancement?

I believe the answer to this was that no, it couldn't. I may be remembering wrong, but I think both hero and enhancement had to be OT to stop DoM.

This is how I would rule it as well. The NT Hero uses an Enhancement, which is what would negate the card, so both cards are involved in the negation. If either is N.T., then it won't negate it. I'm not sure if there are any cards that say "cannot be negated by an Enhancement" but if there are, then that wouldn't make sense if it was to be ruled otherwise.

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