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Nope.

No, you can't.

If you pick Garrison, who is black, you can not select Antiochus Ephiphanes (black/grey) because he has the black brigade. You can not target anyone with black brigade, even if you are attempting to target the other brigade on the card, similar to how Bear is immune to all of Paul, even though he is just immune to Red. Paul is still Red, even if he is playing Green.

Immunity isn't the issue though in the original post.

Do the two characters have different brigades? Yes. So what's the problem?

I guess Tim's explanation works too sorta.

Although, a two brigade Evil Character such as Antiochus has both Black and Gray, but it still contains the second brigade, you cannot say because that card contains black, therefore is not gray. The reason we make the cards like that is for them to use two colors. If you use Zeal, and used on a Garrison, and then said, well it cannot kill Antiochus, because he is black, then where is the gray comes from, I know my explanation might be little bit crappy, but at least I am trying to prove the point. Also, for another example, a player plays Zeal, and uses on opponent's red dragon, but there are no other evil character except for the owner's winged lion being crimson and orange, because it contains the orange, that makes it an orange brigade as well, therefore winged lion gets kill. Thank you. We might need some advance player to clarify this.

ML

So, what is the answer to the question? Thank you.

ML

What? Since when can we only target part of a card's relevant attributes?

Zeal for the Lord says:  "Interrupt the battle and discard two Evil Characters of different brigades. Cannot be negated if used by Phinehas, son of Eleazar"

Antiochus is as much a different brigade from Garrison as he is the same brigade. Zeal says I can, for example, discard a black character and a gray character. Garrison is my black character and Antiochus is my gray character.

how about antiochus is half discarded and can only use black...hehe (jk)

Here's how I see it: When any card has two brigades, it is treated as if it has both. For example, you can discard Lurking from your hand for King Zimri's ability, because it is a crimson enhancement, just like it is a black, orange, pale green, brown, gray, and gold enhancement. Likewise, Antiochus is both a fully black character and a fully gray character. He isn't a half-gray or half-black character, he is a fully gray character, just as he is a fully black character, meaning he can and must be targetable as both. Compared to Garrison, who is a fully black character, Antiochus is both the same brigade and a different brigade, because he is both black and gray. Both. At the same time. Thus, if a card targeted either two characters of the same brigade or two characters of different brigades, the latter of which is the case with Zeal, that card could target both Garrison and Antiochus.

Here's how I see it: When any card has two brigades, it is treated as if it has both. For example, you can discard Lurking from your hand for King Zimri's ability, because it is a crimson enhancement, just like it is a black, orange, pale green, brown, gray, and gold enhancement. Likewise, Antiochus is both a fully black character and a fully gray character. He isn't a half-gray or half-black character, he is a fully gray character, just as he is a fully black character, meaning he can and must be targetable as both. Compared to Garrison, who is a fully black character, Antiochus is both the same brigade and a different brigade, because he is both black and gray. Both. At the same time. Thus, if a card targeted either two characters of the same brigade or two characters of different brigades, the latter of which is the case with Zeal, that card could target both Garrison and Antiochus.

This is precisely the reasoning I tried to use in a more succinct fashion. Thank you for expounding, BB.

1 Paul * 1 Holy Grail = 8 Characters!

1 Paul * 1 Holy Grail = 8 Characters!

Actually, 1 Paul * 1/2 Holy Grail = 8 Characters.