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Generally speaking, if your opponent plays an enhancement that says: "discard this card to __________."

Can you still NEGATE that enhancement with a "negate the last good/evil enhancement" card?

Or, has it already been discarded, thus it is too late?

Thank you.

the card you use to negate the discarded card would have to say something like "discard the last card played" or something like that, if it just says "discard a card" then it would default to in play, which the card you want to discard no longer is.   Now if this is special initiative then this doesn't matter, you just get to negate it through that

Adding to this, depending on what card is played, such as Belshazzar's Banquet, you may not have initiative to play a "negate and discard the last good/evil enh played this battle." It would have to be a Gamaliel's Speech kind of card (as others have said it would have to be a "negate the last" ability) for that to work.

Yes, as long as it is not a special initiative situation and as long as there are no other abilities that need to be completed.

It's a bit of a technicality that doesn't affect the overall outcome very often, but SI allows you to "play a card that interrupts the removing ability." Gamaliel's Speech has already been played and is an optional triggered ability therefore it doesn't fit criteria of what SI allows.

In most cases, you can pass on SI and then trigger GS to achieve the same outcome, but there are a handful of scenarios in which that won't work.

I don't have time to post card abilities, but here's one.

Herod Agrippa II blocks and plays Abandonment against a lone Hero (so it is negatable). The Hero has SI to negate Abandonment. If the Hero passes on SI, then HAII's ability to capture a Hero that withdraws triggers and that capture ability is CBN. At this point, Speech could be triggered, but the capture has already happened and it cannot be negated so Speech wouldn't really accomplish anything by negating Abandonment (i.e. it would not put the Hero back in battle).

It's a bit of a technicality that doesn't affect the overall outcome very often, but SI allows you to "play a card that interrupts the removing ability." Gamaliel's Speech has already been played and is an optional triggered ability therefore it doesn't fit criteria of what SI allows.

In most cases, you can pass on SI and then trigger GS to achieve the same outcome, but there are a handful of scenarios in which that won't work.

Actually, it's an Enhancement, not a card, otherwise Three Woes could be played during SI. I still think it's a needless complication.