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Here's how I see it:

Placed enhancements, once placed, are active until they are discarded. Once DS is placed on a Hero, the Hero doesn't have to remain a Hero for DS to remain placed. The condition for DS to be active is that it is PLACED (read: put) on a hero (like any other placed enhancement) not that it IS on a Hero. When DS was placed, the Hero's owner's Forts and Covenants became negated, and continue to be negated while DS is on its target.

So, in effect, I believe a captured Hero can still retain an active Destructive Sin.

Right but my point is not whether or not it remains placed or active but whether or not it does anything. 
I would think of it like the Destruction ruling.  Since you can't discard Lampstand there is no artifact for it to target with negate because it refers to that (discarded) artifact.  DS can be active but when determining which Forts are negated, you would say the ones of the holder of the hero.  What hero?  The hero that DS is placed on.  But there is no such hero.

The way I see it, it targets the Fortresses of the owner of the Hero DS was placed on when it first became active, regardless of the state of that Hero now (as long as it's on the table still). I can understand your position, and you could be right, but personally I don't think so (obviously).

anymore on this?

Hey,

One could also argue that the Artifact is "placed" and therefore continues to have its effect without taking up an Artifact slot in the future.

Remember the Herod's Treachery discussion?  In it we established that the effect that continues to be implemented after the card is placed is whatever appears on the card after the place ability.  Sadly, in the case of Priestly Breastplate that would be nothing.

Similarly, cards that nobody uses like the one below would not continue to work after the Lost Soul becomes a Redeemed Soul.

Consumed by Wants
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Black • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place this card on a Lost Soul. While this card remains, holder's black brigade demons gain 4/4.

The New REG says, "Any card placed on a lost soul is discarded if the lost soul is relocated to a location outside the land of bondage it was in."

So Consumed by Wants would be discarded if the soul it is on is rescued.  (While that quote is from the New REG, I'm pretty sure it's just copied over from the current rules, I'm just not sure where in the current rules I got it from.)

I wonder if Destructive Sin doesn't have an implied "that Hero", as in "While this card remains on that Hero".  Immediately following in that same sentence it even references "that Hero".  If that's correct and "that Hero" ceases to be a Hero then I would expect DS to have no effect although it would still remain placed since nothing is removing it.

My understand is that "While this card remains" on Destructive Sin is simply a restatement of the implied condition "while the placed card remains in the location it is placed in."  But the reference to "that Hero" and later to "its" (which I understand to have the antecedent 'that Hero') would cause Destructive Sin to cease having any effect if the Hero it is on is captured because there would be no "that Hero" for it to reference and thus no valid targets for it's negate ability.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly