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also, can it negate a chamber of angels? i know some things default to in play, but ds says 'owner', and chamber of angels does have an owner...

Hey,

Destructive Sin has been placed on my Hero.  Does DS continue to negate my Forts and Covs if my Hero gets set-aside?  What about if my Hero is captured?

Yes to both questions.

also, can it negate a chamber of angels? i know some things default to in play, but ds says 'owner', and chamber of angels does have an owner...

No, the "in play" default applies to Destructive Sin.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Quote from: BrianGabe on January 11, 2010, 08:30:39 PM

Destructive Sin has been placed on my Hero.  Does DS continue to negate my Forts and Covs if my Hero gets set-aside?  What about if my Hero is captured?

Yes to both questions.

Why? More specifically why does DS continue to work if the hero was set aside? It has been ruled that artifacts activated on characters (e.g., Priestly Breastplate) do not continue to function when the character is set aside.  Why is a placed Destructive Sin different than a placed artifact?

correct.  By default, cards only effect card that are in play.  Set aside area is out of play.

Hey,

[W]hy does DS continue to work if the hero was set aside? It has been ruled that artifacts activated on characters (e.g., Priestly Breastplate) do not continue to function when the character is set aside.  Why is a placed Destructive Sin different than a placed artifact?

A placed enhancement remains active "while placed" or basically for the rest of the game.  An activated artifact remains active for one round.  In both cases if you set aside the hero that the card is on it completes it's "current" activation.  For the placed card that means it continues to work until the end of the game.  For the artifact it means it continues to work until the end of the round.  After the round the artifact must be activated again to remain in effect, but the hero it was on is no longer a valid target to activate it on because the hero is out of play.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on January 11, 2010, 10:44:33 PM

[W]hy does DS continue to work if the hero was set aside? It has been ruled that artifacts activated on characters (e.g., Priestly Breastplate) do not continue to function when the character is set aside.  Why is a placed Destructive Sin different than a placed artifact?

A placed enhancement remains active "while placed" or basically for the rest of the game.  An activated artifact remains active for one round.  In both cases if you set aside the hero that the card is on it completes it's "current" activation.  For the placed card that means it continues to work until the end of the game.  For the artifact it means it continues to work until the end of the round.  After the round the artifact must be activated again to remain in effect, but the hero it was on is no longer a valid target to activate it on because the hero is out of play.

I'm sorry for being dense, but given that explanation I have new confusion about how Priestly Breastplate ever worked.

Priestly Breastplate  SA  Negate all ignore and repel abilities on Characters and Enhancements. May be placed on a good High Priest when activated.

It was ruled that you cannot activate both Priestly Breastplate and a second artifact on the artifact pile in the same turn. Specifically that Priestly Breastplate had to be activated--which took up your artifact pile activation slot--and only after activation occurred could it be placed.  (This is contradistinction with Magic Charms which says "May be activated on a Magician.")  Is this ruling correct?

It has also been ruled that in rounds subsequent to placing Priestly Breastplate on a Priest you could activate other artifacts using your artifact pile activation slot and Priestly Breastplate remained active. (Being able to activate a second artifact in addition to Priestly Breastplate was the primary reason for including the "place" part of the SA.) Is this ruling correct?

Finally it has been ruled that if the Priest on whom Priestly Breastplate is placed is set aside, that Priestly Breastplate ceases to negate ignore abilities. Is this ruling correct?

Given what was written above, I cannot see how all three of those rulings can all be correct.  Which are correct and why? 

"Owner" is always the person from whose deck the card came. Sometimes the "control" of a card changes (capture, Taking Egypts Wealth, banding to opponent's character), but the ownership always remains the same.

I dont see why a placed card remains active in a set-aside area...if that were the case it should say "while this card remains in play or set-aside" not just remains because i was under the impression that if not stated specifically that it defaults to in play?

i would understand that to be hero's and fortresses defaulted in play. Am i wrong in this line of thinking?

it seems confusing to me as a host to explain that artifacts dont work in setaside areas and place cards do

Artifacts do work in set aside.

For the artifact it means it continues to work until the end of the round.  After the round the artifact must be activated again to remain in effect, but the hero it was on is no longer a valid target to activate it on because the hero is out of play.

Wat.

Yes, this is a necropost. No it isn't invalid. I came into this situation in a recent game and need understanding.