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Desecrate the Temple
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 3 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: If used by a Babylonian, discard an Artifact, Temple or good Dominant in opponent's territory. If there are none, discard one from opponent's deck instead. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Kings 25:13-15 •


Does the part where it says Discard an artifact refer to an active artfiact or one that's deactivated???

-Austin

or Temple of Dagon! Don't forget that one!

Is House of Rimmon a Temple?

Temple of Dagon is not a temple for Redemption purposes.  A Temple refers only to temples constructed by the priests for the Lord.  Tabernacle, Solomon's Temple, Z's Temple.

Temple of Dagon is not a temple for Redemption purposes.  A Temple refers only to temples constructed by the priests for the Lord.  Tabernacle, Solomon's Temple, Z's Temple.

This seems a little odd to me.  I understand ToD not being a "good" temple, but it still is a temple, whether for good or ill.

It seems like calling Joshua the High Priest not a priest for "Redemption" purposes.  Table of Dagon has Temple in the name for goodness sakes...

Now, I could understand DtT only discarding good temples.  That makes sense with the card.  However, the card just says temple. 

It seems to me that DtT should definitely d/c Temple of Dagon or other similar temples.

I too must disagree with Stephen. I've very confused how Temple of Dagon is not a temple. If Ananias is a priest and Balaam is a prophet, then Temple of Dagon is a temple.

Agreed. A reprinting cards has been used to "fix" special abilities to go with the theme. For example, Gabriel's reprint can't discard good enhancements, just because it doesn't really make sense for him to be discarding good enhancements. Some, such as Holy Grail, get an errata to keep the game from getting broken. Temple of Dagon is clearly a temple, albeit one of a pagan god and not a place of worship to the Most High.

However DtT, doesn't specifiy if the temple has to be good or evil. Just as the case was with Gabriel, while it may not make complete sense, DtT should be able to discard Temple of Dagon. This is actually easier to get around than Gabriel-evil factions would have no problem fightingith each other, so I don't have any problem with evil targeting evil

I'll have to agree with the masses on this one, Temple of Dagon is a temple.

Did the Holy Spirit reside in the Temple of Dagon?  Was the Ark kept there?

It's obviously a "temple", that does not make it a "Temple".  The difference seems pretty obvious to me.

I don't know about your version of the card, but mine says "Temple of Dagon" not "temple of Dagon."

I know what you mean. However, I disagree with you. I think that Temple on the card can refer to Temple of Dagon.

Temple of Nisroch would not be in play and the "Temple" in Temple Veil is an adjective, not a noun, so it clearly does not refer to itself as a building.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on January 23, 2009, 06:05:31 PM

Temple of Nisroch would not be in play and the "Temple" in Temple Veil is an adjective, not a noun, so it clearly does not refer to itself as a building.

For what reason, exactly, would Temple of Nisrosh not be in play?

The logic that was given to me was that the card had "Temple", with a capital T, even, in the title.  Even after I put the distinction in quotes to try and show the difference between a building and a Temple built unto the Lord.  So I'm going with the "Temple in the title" logic that was presented.

Even if I make an allowance for that, can you tell me why you are allowed to make a thematic distinction between a temple-building and a temple-in-the-name-but-not-a-building, but I am not allowed to make a distinction between holy Temples of God and any old building with "temple" tattooed on the side?

cuz it is a set aside?

By all rights is should be able to discard Herod's Temple without question, it was a temple unto Yahweh,where sacrifices and worship took place.

Temple of Nisroch wouldn't be in play *in your opponent's territory* while you're blocking.

Also, the Tabernacle was not a temple. In fact, Zerubabbel's Temple even sets the precedence in Redemption that Tabernacles and Temples are treated differently.

Speaking of Z.Temple, though... Following the special ability on Z Temple, did that temple even "Keep the Ark" as you put it, Schaef?

This is not a matter of the word "Temple" being in the card title. It is a matter of the card says "Discard a Temple" and Temple of Dagon is just that, a TEMPLE. The card does not say "A good temple" or "A holy temple" or anything. Simply "a temple." I see this as an identifier like any other. If a card is a "temple" then it meets the requiremnt, and can thus be discarded.