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Depicts an Idol
« on: December 07, 2014, 08:06:21 PM »
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Does Abomination of Desolation depict an Idol?



There is a big statue which seems to be an idol, but I cannot find in listed any where that this card depicts one.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2014, 08:26:34 PM »
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If it's not currently classified as depicting an idol I think it should be, given that's exactly what the card is about, lol.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 08:31:17 PM »
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It depicts an idol.  I can tell you that with certainty.

Problem is that, while it fits the definition, the REG does not have it listed.

Quote from: The REG
Depicting an Idol
A card is considered to be Depicting an Idol if it has an idol illustrated in the card art. In this case, an idol is a statue or physical representation of a false god.
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This includes the following cards:
 Ashtaroth Worship (Boulden) (Pr), Ashtaroth Worship (Hodgson) (Pr), Ashtaroth Worship (I), Altar of Dagon (Pa), Asherah Pole (Ki), Captured Ark (P), Golden Calf (H), Household Idols (Ap), Jacob Buries the Foreign Gods (RA), Jeroboam's Idolatry (RA), and Unknown Nation (Pi)

That needs to get updated it looks like.  This happens sometimes, but if it fits the definition clearly, it counts.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2014, 10:27:54 PM »
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Well that would've been nice to know at the tournament this weekend... :P

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2014, 12:06:16 AM »
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Well that would've been nice to know at the tournament this weekend... :P

Did you really play it as if it did not? Even with all the great work that has been done on the REG in recent years, it's not infallible...
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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2014, 06:53:39 AM »
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Well that would've been nice to know at the tournament this weekend... :P

Did you really play it as if it did not? Even with all the great work that has been done on the REG in recent years, it's not infallible...
Yerp. Oh, well, I don't think it would've helped me against Jordan anyway.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2014, 10:04:14 AM »
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You know what else depicts an idol? Unknown Nation.
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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2014, 10:38:34 AM »
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I would say it does, definitely!

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2014, 11:19:32 AM »
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Unknown Nation is already on the list of them too ;)

I should go through and update that list since it matters much more now...

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2014, 11:38:27 AM »
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When was the last time it was updated?

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2014, 05:54:42 PM »
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19th century, that was the last time that any updates happened on the REG.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2014, 07:02:41 PM »
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Wow, I'm amazed!

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2014, 07:36:08 PM »
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19th century, that was the last time that any updates happened on the REG.
Did you mean the 20th century? The REG didn't exist in the 1800s, lol. And even then it's been updated since 1999....

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2014, 08:38:36 PM »
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When?

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2014, 10:05:33 PM »
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19th century, that was the last time that any updates happened on the REG.
Did you mean the 20th century? The REG didn't exist in the 1800s, lol. And even then it's been updated since 1999....
I feel as though he's being facetious, but who knows, maybe David's crazy. ;)

When?
I believe all of the headings in the REG have a "Last Updated" thing to go along with it.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2014, 07:55:50 AM »
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I think the last time I used the REG was when I was first learning how to play... a looong time ago...

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2014, 08:00:21 PM »
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I thought Holy of Holies also made this list.  If so, it's ironic how much cohesion there is with HoH and demon defenses.
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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2014, 09:01:29 PM »
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I thought Holy of Holies also made this list.  If so, it's ironic how much cohesion there is with HoH and demon defenses.

No...Holy of Holies is most certainly not an idol.  Nothing that represents The One True God is an idol.  The only reason Captured Ark 'depicts an idol' is because there are other idols it has been placed with in that image (there are pieces of them there on the art, at least).

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2014, 09:04:01 PM »
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Does Magic Charms depict an idol.  There is a pentagram in the artwork.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2014, 09:13:08 PM »
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Does Magic Charms depict an idol.  There is a pentagram in the artwork.

I can't seem to find a ruling one way or the other already in place, but I would lean to 'no it does not'.

The current definition requires a depiction of "a statue or physical representation of a false god," and while the pentagram (and other items) in the picture represent witchcraft, they are not necessarily representative of a false god.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2014, 09:27:02 PM »
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+1

An idol suggests something that is worshiped, and I don't believe charms would fit that criteria.
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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2014, 03:50:49 PM »
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Could Magic Charms be classified as a False Religious Practice?
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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2014, 04:25:50 PM »
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I don't believe so. My understanding is that for it to be considered a "practice" it has to be the actual act. This would include cards like Baal Worship, Molech Worship, Ashtaroth Worship, Sun Worship, Worship of Milcom, Pagan Sacrifices, etc.
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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2014, 06:14:25 PM »
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A-bomb has that identifier though.

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Re: Depicts an Idol
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2014, 06:24:18 PM »
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Definition of False Religious Practices:

Quote from: The REG
False Religious Practice
Piety of Mary (Wo) ignores “all special abilities on cards depicting a false religious practice.” A card is considered to ‘Depicting a False Religious Practice’ if it depicts the practicing of a false religion or a false practice of a true religion. The depiction can be in the card art or scripture reference.

Note that it can be in either the art or the scripture.  Also, there are actually good cards currently listed in the ranks (Jacob Buries the Foreign Gods and Unbowed), simply because there are false practices shown.

I would say that Charms fits the description, not only because there are 'false practices' on the card in the form of charms intended for magic not from God, but also the verse:

Ezekiel 13:20 - Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against your magic charms by which you hunt souls there like birds. I will tear them from your arms, and let the souls go, the souls you hunt like birds.

Seems pretty clear that these represent false practices, and I think it fits the definition we currently have.  It would still not be an idol, but I would argue the case that it should be under False Religious Practices.

 


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