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If Mayhem was played after birth than they would have to be shuffled

I'm not really referring to the protection part of the card...I'm saying my intent is to play SoG with NJ as soon as I am done drawing them, however in the time it takes me to search for the card, reveal which on of the cards I actually got, and come back to my hand to simultaneously play SoG and NJ together, "humanly" takes time. so anywhere in there my opponent can play mayhem.  I guess I'm asking, is there a way for me to announce my intent to play them together as soon as I play Birth foretold and avoid my opp. playing mayhem in the time it takes me to physically do the action?

Nope. For a long time I was under the impression there was some way to do it (that is, to say, your opponent couldn't "slapjack" you out of playing your dominant so as long as you had intent and preformed the last action), but I've been told by multiple elders that isn't the case.

Whoever plays theirs first uses theirs first. If you both played them at the same time, then yours would work. Although, your opponent can't play Mayhem until your Birth Foretold SA is done.

Rawrlolsauce is correct. Birth Foretold's ability must complete before your opponent can play a Dom.

You have the chance to respond to your own action. What that basically means is that, when you play Birth Foretold, you get the chance to play your dominants before your opponent can play Mayhem (provided that you play them right away and you don't stall for any reason). This is the same reason that if you were to say, draw Guardian (or any other doms) in your draw phase and your opponent dropped Mayhem before you got a chance to play any, you could still play the dominants you were going to (within reason - when you start dropping Burial, DoN, HT, and CM at the beginning of your turn, you're probably not playing honestly). In general, it's considered proper etiquette to give your opponent a 1-2 second chance to play any dominants they'd like to before playing Mayhem.

First turn mayhem disagrees with your drawing example. I don't think drawing in your draw phase is a "respondable" action. It's a game rule.

If I draw Guardian of Your Souls during my draw phase, I can play it before my opponent can play Mayhem. I'm 110% sure about that.

I agree with Chronic Apathy, you always get first priority on dominants if you are responding to your own action in a reasonable amount of time. The problem is the priority even extends when you play your Mayhem first so it is best to give that player a 2-3 second window to play SoG NJ so that you don't telegraph your move.

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on February 18, 2012, 12:57:19 PM

I agree with Chronic Apathy, you always get first priority on dominants if you are responding to your own action in a reasonable amount of time.

Chronic and Hobbit are correct.  If you play Birth Foretold, and try to play SoG/NJ as soon as you shuffle your deck and put it down, then they will work regardless of whether your opponent (who has been waiting like a vulture while you were shuffling) is able to make his Mayhem hit the table first.

What I have taken to doing is saying "I am playing Birth Foretold to search my deck for SoG, then I will respond to my own action by playing SoG and NJ".  Since you do have that right, just coming right out and saying it BEFORE doing it makes it so the other person (I like 'vulture' ) can't say you were stalling and wouldn't have played them.

On a side note...IMO this is a reeeeally good reminder of why you should not be using Birth Foretold (or any other search card) to nab SoG without intending to play it

I disagree with your last statement Redoubter. Using Birth Foretold without the intention to use SoG right away can be relatively common depending on the circumstances.

Yeah, circumstances like your opponent has already played his Mayhem so you know it's safe

I disagree with your last statement Redoubter. Using Birth Foretold without the intention to use SoG right away can be relatively common depending on the circumstances.

That is true, and with certain defenses you may be safer with it in hand rather than in deck.  So, I'll amend my previous statement to say you USUALLY shouldn't use it if your hand is in danger