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Title: Decrease Question
Post by: Chronic Apathy on February 17, 2012, 09:44:53 PM
I have Angel with the Secret Name in my hand, I put him in battle to make a rescue attempt, with the intention to exchange him. My opponent has Plagued with Diseases up. AwtSN's ability kicks in before the discard from the decrease, right?
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: lp670sv on February 17, 2012, 09:54:58 PM
I'm pretty sure the decrease happens first.
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: SomeKittens on February 17, 2012, 09:57:00 PM
I have Angel with the Secret Name in my hand, I put him in battle to make a rescue attempt, with the intention to exchange him. My opponent has Plagued with Diseases up. AwtSN's ability kicks in before the discard from the decrease, right?
The ability happens first.
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: lp670sv on February 17, 2012, 09:58:52 PM
Why? If you have a CBI OT hero up, golden calf would prevent in, so why would the order be the opposite in this case?
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: SomeKittens on February 17, 2012, 09:59:57 PM
Was his ability negated/prevented?  Then it activated.
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: lp670sv on February 17, 2012, 10:01:18 PM
but for calf to prevent a CBI hero it would have to activate first, the artifact was active before the hero
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: SomeKittens on February 17, 2012, 10:12:46 PM
Yes.  Calf prevents.  PwD is a decrease, which is a different story.  AWtSN enters battle, so his ability activates, as it is not prevented/negated.  If he's still in battle, then he immediately dies.
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: megamanlan on February 18, 2012, 03:51:22 AM
Yes.  Calf prevents.  PwD is a decrease, which is a different story.  AWtSN enters battle, so his ability activates, as it is not prevented/negated.  If he's still in battle, then he immediately dies.

I agree, his effect plays but if he is still in play, he dies. AwSN's numbers are part of an Identifier, so if X is higher than 2 (or 3 if your winning) he doesn't die.
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: Redoubter on February 18, 2012, 06:17:37 PM
Yes.  Calf prevents.  PwD is a decrease, which is a different story.  AWtSN enters battle, so his ability activates, as it is not prevented/negated.  If he's still in battle, then he immediately dies.

I went looking in the Reg, and I CANNOT find what order these things would activate in.  That is, the CBN AwSN enters battle (or any hero for that matter), are increase/decrease ongoing effects dealt with before or after the SA on a card?  I don't think that this has anything to do with prevent, interrupt, negate, or any cannot be... on the card, but what order the abilities are considered as a hero enters battle.

Does someone know where this would be found?
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: Minister Polarius on February 18, 2012, 06:51:31 PM
Nothing can come in between a character entering battle and his SA carrying out, unless that character has a banding ability and a weapon. Take for another example TToD; if an eligible King is blocked by Uzzah, Uzzah's SA carries out, removing him from battle; then, when TToD checks for a blocker, there is none and you don't get to draw or play.
Title: Re: Decrease Question
Post by: megamanlan on February 18, 2012, 10:29:29 PM
*Insert I agree smiley here +1*

Done.
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