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I'm fine with those rules, but the doms part still seems like cards just being slammed onto the table as fast as possible. I think the rule should be 1 card max, SoG/NJ acting like 1 card, regardless of the type of card. If not, then people will just spam doms.

added: 1 card(any type) played like above, or any other "action" that starts the prep phase.

You are not allowed to play dominants during a draw phase.  That I know for certain.
I am pretty certain that the upkeep phase is ONLY for upkeep abilities.  You can't do anything else (or introduce anything else) in that phase.

You also can't play a dominant while an instant special ability is being completed.  (Menahem discards a card from hand before you can play Burial, for example)

So, dominants do have restrictions on when they can be played.  That part of the rulebook has been outdated for years.

What has been fuzzy in the current rulings for Mayhem is that someone who is NOT the active player can just decide to slip a Mayhem into the beginning of a prep phase, when the active player hasn't even technically started that phase.  I'd like the active player's actions to be what "declares" the start of the prep phase, just as it is for the battle phase.

As for an introductory prep phase, I'd love to see it.  But that does not change the fact that other players should not be able to tell me when MY prep phase starts.

Quote from: Bryon on May 06, 2011, 10:19:09 AM

No cards can be played during the draw phase or the upkeep phase, right?  So, the dominants don't get to be played until the start of the preparation phase.

My understanding is that a Dominant can be played anytime during the turn, including the draw or upkeep phase.

That was mine too.


I agree with Gabe, the rule you suggested wouldn't do a whole lot to combat FTM and would imo establish a bad precedent for down the road. It also brings up weird things like if i put a character down in my territory could I play a dominant in response to that action? The best thing you could do is to ban the card, the second best would be to errata it to read "except during the first round". The card was meant to be an equalizer, hurting the drawing juggernaut's, and it does but more often then not it just gives you an overwelming advantage. Between two good players it pretty much decides the game right there. I also like the idea of intro prep but I am afraid it would be a rather large change, almost too large to be implemented mid tourney season.

I wonder, would you be allowed to go straight to an RA if you didn't do any upkeep actions, and before they played Mayhem? That to me seems odd.

I very much like Bryons idea my biggest problem with Mayhem is that I am never able to get enough characters out due to the fact that Mayhem only lets you draw 6 >.< and I lose the game because of this. If I could at the very least play one character or fort before my opponent nukes me with Mayhem that would help a lot.

Also assuming Bryon is correct could you in theory "skip" ALL of the phases and make it impossible for your opponent to play Mayhem on your turn?

So basically if no visible counters/reductions are out on the table, you're free to mayhem after the d3 and then it's up to what cards hit the table. If it's all doms by your opponent then that's fine, but if it's anything else, they get 1 card if it was out first, but nothing other than doms if mayhem was out first?

So basically if no visible counters/reductions are out on the table, you're free to mayhem after the d3 and then it's up to what cards hit the table. If it's all doms by your opponent then that's fine, but if it's anything else, they get 1 card if it was out first, but nothing other than doms if mayhem was out first?

That is the slapjack option.  My suggestion is that you should get ONE action to start the prep phase, at which point any number of opponents' dominants could be played in response.

Under the current rule, you wouldn't have time. They can see you don't have any counters/reductions to make before they end their turn, so after the d3, you're basically getting mayhem'd in your prep. Your d3 is forcing you into your prep if no upkeep stuff is out on the table, I guess that's how it works.