Author Topic: Death and Hades question (Read 3972 times)

Lamborghini_diablo · « **on:** July 19, 2011, 02:01:22 PM »

I'm sure this has been pointed out before but, what exactly is up with D&H's play as?

Death & Hades (Wa)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Reduce opponent's hand to 7 cards until this character is discarded (or 9 cards if rescuer has Tables of the Law activated). • Play As: Your hand size is -1. • Identifiers: NT Male Demon • Verse: Revelation 6:8 • Availability: Warriors booster packs (Rare)

(A) it doesn't even mention the "until discarded" clause.
(B) The target is wrong. It should say your opponent's hand.

Could this play as possibly get changed to say "Your Opponent's hand size is reduced by 1 until this character is discarded."

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:06:21 PM »

Anyone have any cool ways to use this card? Sorry I put this in the wrong section; meant to go into strategies... not ruling.

EDIT: HOW DID LAMBO GET THE FIRST POST WHEN I MADE THIS THREAD@??#!@?# HACKER

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:07:25 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 19, 2011, 02:06:21 PM

EDIT: HOW DID LAMBO GET THE FIRST POST WHEN I MADE THIS THREAD@??#!@?# HACKER

Timestamps don't lie son. GG NO RE.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:09:19 PM »

I always assumed that this card was meant to reduce the number of cards in your hand at the end of your turn, but a literal reading of the SA would indicate that they can not even draw cards past 7 (or 9 with TotL).

WesterForever · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:18:20 PM »

Wow...that puts a whole new spin on D&H if one cannot even draw cards to gain more than 7 total cards...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:20:54 PM »

Quote from: WesterForever on July 19, 2011, 02:18:20 PM

Wow...that puts a whole new spin on D&H if one cannot even draw cards to gain more than 7 total cards...

I'm pretty sure that there used to be an errata for D&H. However, this unusually erroneous Play As would have replaced it. Since that Play As is an errata, we have to rule D&H by what it says on the card until further notice.

ACe · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:31:15 PM »

I always thought that it was you couldnt draw past 7 at least i lost a tourney from that card once cause i always had like close to 7 and couldnt draw.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:33:39 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 19, 2011, 02:01:22 PM

I'm sure this has been pointed out before but, what exactly is up with D&H's play as?

Death & Hades (Wa)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Reduce opponent's hand to 7 cards until this character is discarded (or 9 cards if rescuer has Tables of the Law activated). • Play As: Your hand size is -1. • Identifiers: NT Male Demon • Verse: Revelation 6:8 • Availability: Warriors booster packs (Rare)

If we use the "Play As," then you have to discard all your cards and have no hand for the entire game. You would also have to give your opponent a card from your territory.

Somehow, that "Play As" also reminds me of the OJ Simpson trial.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:40:37 PM »

If I did discard my entire hand, here's how it happened.

Also, the current play as would be beast for Zebby decks.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:45:54 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 19, 2011, 02:40:37 PM

Also, the current play as would be beast for Zebby decks.

Especially since it doesn't actually tell you to discard your hand. You bring in D&H to activate his ability, then next turn RA with Zebulun and say "My hand size is -1, per the REG."

Just make sure you wave your hand in front of your opponent and hope that they are not related to Watto.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:01:49 PM »

Play as: Your post ratings are -1 until deleted.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:08:16 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 19, 2011, 02:45:54 PM

Just make sure you wave your hand in front of your opponent and hope that they are not related to Watto.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:09:34 PM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on July 19, 2011, 03:01:49 PM

Play as: Your post ratings are -1 until deleted.

Wow, harsh.

However, (jokes aside) there is no question that the "Play As" is an errata and is therefore not used. We have no choice but to play this card as written. As soon as the ability activates, your opponent's hand must be reduced to 7. Unless you can discard D&H, then the Hand Limit applies, just like the current overarching 16-card Hand Limit. This card overrides the 16-card limit with a 7-card (or 10-card with TotL) limit.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:14:15 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 19, 2011, 03:09:34 PM

Wow, harsh.

Wasn't meant as harsh. It was only -1% serious. That's less than 0%! (No really, it is!)

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:23:51 PM »

Short hair

SomeKittens · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:27:11 PM »

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/death-and-hades/

Yep, this has been asked before. Nope, nothing truly conclusive came out of it regarding the play-as

lightningninja · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:28:38 PM »

Someone use this in type II for a big tournament and then argue whatever you want to happen until someone gives in!

Korunks · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:36:16 PM »

Well until they fix the obviously erroneus play as, I am going to rule it the way it is written. I feel bad for speed decks at my tournaments.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:44:32 PM »

This really makes me wonder what whoever wrote that was thinking.

STAMP · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:45:44 PM »

It's a simple fix. It should read, "Play as: Opponent's hand size is n-1 while this card is in play."

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #20 on:** July 20, 2011, 09:42:49 AM »

That would be errata, not play-as.

CountFount · « **Reply #21 on:** July 20, 2011, 09:53:41 AM »

Someone help the blind to see (or at least give me my trifocals).

Does this mean that an opponent may not draw cards which exceed 7 or 9 (if that card no one uses is in play) if D&H has been activated and remains in play?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #22 on:** July 20, 2011, 09:54:53 AM »

That appears to be the case as of now.

CountFount · « **Reply #23 on:** July 20, 2011, 09:56:16 AM »

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Josh · « **Reply #24 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:39:01 AM »

So then... Band an EC (Gomer for example) to Death and Hades, then play Grapes on the banding character to shuffle D&H. Opponent must reduce hand to 7 for remainder of game? (If I never let them discard my D&H)

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