Author Topic: Deafening Spirit vs. CoD (Read 9778 times)

megamanlan · « **on:** December 13, 2011, 03:44:49 PM »

I am wondering, If Covenant of Death is active, does that Negate Deafening Spirit when it becomes an EC?

Deafening Spirit
1/4 Orange Evil Enhancement
Mark 9:25, Generic, Demon
Negate and discard the Last Good Enhancement played this Battle. You may treat this card as an Evil Character until the end of battle.

Covenant of Death
2/4 Brown/Pale Green Curse
Isaiah 28:15
Negate Characters. Restrict players from playing Enhancements unless a character is opposed in battle. Cannot be negated.

browarod · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2011, 05:14:02 PM »

I assume not, otherwise it would create a loop. My thinking is that it turns itself into a character with no special ability, which effectively makes it CBI.

megamanlan · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2011, 05:17:45 PM »

Okay. I was wondering if that would work or not...

browarod · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2011, 06:33:10 PM »

I'm really not sure so you should probably wait for more replies.

megamanlan · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2011, 09:20:55 PM »

Okay.

Red Wing · « **Reply #5 on:** December 13, 2011, 09:22:32 PM »

I agree with browarod, but I'm 100% sure either.

Arrthoa · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2011, 12:33:00 AM »

look at the thread titled Doubt. It deals with the same type of question.

megamanlan · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:10:13 AM »

Not exactly, Doubt is a Dom that becomes a Character w/ no effect. I'm asking how this effects the Enhancement.

Arrthoa · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:49:46 AM »

I know that, but the fact is your wandering if CoD stops this card from becoming a character. Thr answer is No it does not.

megamanlan · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2011, 03:02:45 AM »

I'm thinking more of the Negate and Discard the Last Good Enhancement part. But I'm waiting for an Elder or a Tournament Host that can definitively tell me what CoD will do to this, because it is technically a Character w/ an ability. I'm trying to see if they count that as CBI or what.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2011, 09:18:43 AM »

Quote from: megamanlan on December 14, 2011, 03:02:45 AM

I'm thinking more of the Negate and Discard the Last Good Enhancement part. But I'm waiting for an Elder or a Tournament Host that can definitively tell me what CoD will do to this, because it is technically a Character w/ an ability. I'm trying to see if they count that as CBI or what.

It's not an EC with an ability. The enhancement has an ability, then it becomes an EC.

megamanlan · « **Reply #11 on:** December 14, 2011, 11:00:35 AM »

Well, that's not really how I've seen it played.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2011, 11:06:58 AM »

Quote from: megamanlan on December 14, 2011, 03:02:45 AM

I'm thinking more of the Negate and Discard the Last Good Enhancement part. But I'm waiting for an Elder or a Tournament Host that can definitively tell me what CoD will do to this, because it is technically a Character w/ an ability. I'm trying to see if they count that as CBI or what.

You got what you wanted. Anything else?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #13 on:** December 14, 2011, 01:33:11 PM »

I think this play needs further review.

megamanlan · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2011, 10:52:45 AM »

I agree.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2011, 11:07:51 AM »

Despite me not being a Tournament Host OR an Elder, I hope you're willing to accept my humble opinion. I'm pretty sure I agree with Randall on this one. I think the order is what matters here. The card negates and discards the enhancement, then becomes an evil character. Unless the whole card is going to be negated by Covenant w/ Death (effectively forming a loop), I don't really think you can pick and choose what gets negated on the card and what doesn't. It's not logical.

megamanlan · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2011, 12:33:02 PM »

Yes, I know that, but I have Negated it in fun rounds. Mainly because we didn't know if it was CBI or CBN or what. All we knew was that it cannot be Negated as an Enhancement. The Card does have an effect, vs. Doubt which does not, I'm asking what would that be? Is it counted as a CBI card and if so can CoD stop it? CBP so can I negate it afterwards? Or CBN and it was really crazy?

browarod · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2011, 05:46:51 PM »

I am 100% sure that once played it is CBI as an enhancement (because it is a character by the time it finishes resolving). The thing in question here is whether it retains its ability as a character (and can be negated/interrupted by things that target characters) or whether it become an SA-less character (like Doubt) which effectively makes it completely CBI.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2011, 10:04:04 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on December 16, 2011, 12:33:02 PM

Yes, I know that, but I have Negated it in fun rounds. Mainly because we didn't know if it was CBI or CBN or what. All we knew was that it cannot be Negated as an Enhancement. The Card does have an effect, vs. Doubt which does not, I'm asking what would that be? Is it counted as a CBI card and if so can CoD stop it? CBP so can I negate it afterwards? Or CBN and it was really crazy?

You've got two Tournament Hosts, a REP, and another player all in agreement, with no dissent. What more do you want, Rob himself?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #19 on:** December 17, 2011, 12:07:30 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 16, 2011, 10:04:04 PM

Quote from: megamanlan on December 16, 2011, 12:33:02 PM
Yes, I know that, but I have Negated it in fun rounds. Mainly because we didn't know if it was CBI or CBN or what. All we knew was that it cannot be Negated as an Enhancement. The Card does have an effect, vs. Doubt which does not, I'm asking what would that be? Is it counted as a CBI card and if so can CoD stop it? CBP so can I negate it afterwards? Or CBN and it was really crazy?
You've got two Tournament Hosts, a REP, and another player all in agreement, with no dissent. What more do you want, Rob himself?

/Split Altar

megamanlan · « **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2011, 02:59:04 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 16, 2011, 10:04:04 PM

Quote from: megamanlan on December 16, 2011, 12:33:02 PM
Yes, I know that, but I have Negated it in fun rounds. Mainly because we didn't know if it was CBI or CBN or what. All we knew was that it cannot be Negated as an Enhancement. The Card does have an effect, vs. Doubt which does not, I'm asking what would that be? Is it counted as a CBI card and if so can CoD stop it? CBP so can I negate it afterwards? Or CBN and it was really crazy?

Actually, I haven't seen a REP's opinion on this yet, and no one has said if they're 100% sure of that or not. That is an assumed completion of the effect. That's why I don't want to leave it at that.
You've got two Tournament Hosts, a REP, and another player all in agreement, with no dissent. What more do you want, Rob himself?

STAMP · « **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2011, 01:48:42 PM »

What's a REP? And does a REP precede me on rulings?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2011, 02:01:47 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on December 17, 2011, 02:59:04 AM

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 16, 2011, 10:04:04 PM
Quote from: megamanlan on December 16, 2011, 12:33:02 PM
Yes, I know that, but I have Negated it in fun rounds. Mainly because we didn't know if it was CBI or CBN or what. All we knew was that it cannot be Negated as an Enhancement. The Card does have an effect, vs. Doubt which does not, I'm asking what would that be? Is it counted as a CBI card and if so can CoD stop it? CBP so can I negate it afterwards? Or CBN and it was really crazy?

Actually, I haven't seen a REP's opinion on this yet, and no one has said if they're 100% sure of that or not. That is an assumed completion of the effect. That's why I don't want to leave it at that.
You've got two Tournament Hosts, a REP, and another player all in agreement, with no dissent. What more do you want, Rob himself?

Browarod and Chronic are both REPs. And they are right.

megamanlan · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2011, 02:57:57 PM »

Here is my issue, 4 peoples opinions where they mentioned that they were not sure on this issue can't be counted as an official ruling. Sorry but that's how life works.

As to REP's, then where is that mentioned? I've never seen that.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2011, 03:05:35 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on December 17, 2011, 02:57:57 PM

Here is my issue, 4 peoples opinions where they mentioned that they were not sure on this issue can't be counted as an official ruling. Sorry but that's how life works.

As to REP's, then where is that mentioned? I've never seen that.

5 people have voiced their opinion. Two are tournament hosts, who GIVE RULINGS at tournaments they host. REPs (Real Experienced Players) don't have an official title, but are people who are considered very knowledgeable about Redemption.

Bottom line, that's how it's played. If you want to disagree, that's your right, but it's not how to win friends and influence people.

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Author Topic: Deafening Spirit vs. CoD (Read 9778 times)

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