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So, say if I use Deafening Spirit in battle, and discard it w/ Grapes O' Wrath while Tartaros is out, does it go there? On a related note, if I play it on my Wandering Spirit and they end up getting discarded, does Wandering Spirit put Deafening Spirit to the bottom also? What would happen to it if it went to Tartaros and a demon wins? It wouldn't get released, would it?

Deafening Spirit (Pi)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: 1 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate and discard the last good Enhancement played this battle. You may treat this card as an Evil Character until the end of this battle. • Play As: Negate and discard the last good Enhancement played this battle. You may convert this card to an Evil Character until the end of this battle. • Identifiers: NT, Connected with Demons • Verse: Mark 9:25 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Common)

Tartaros (Ap)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: All demons that holder captures, discards, or has in Land of Bondage are placed in Tartaros. Release one demon to holder's territory from Tartaros when one of holder's demons wins in battle. • Play As: All demons that holder captures, discards, or has in Land of Bondage are held in Tartaros instead. Return one demon to holder's territory from Tartaros when one of holder's demons wins in battle. Tartaros may hold any number of demons. • Identifiers: Play to set-aside area. • Verse: II Peter 2:4 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Uncommon)

Wandering Spirit (TP)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: 3 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Reveal the bottom card of deck. If it is a demon, put it in your territory. May band to a generic demon. If your demon is discarded, place it beneath deck instead. Cannot be negated. • Play As: Reveal the bottom card of deck. If it is a demon, place it in your territory. May band to a generic demon. If your demon is being discarded, place it beneath deck instead. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: Generic NT Male Demon • Verse: Luke 11:24 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()

I don't have access to the card itself to doublecheck right now but according to the ability posted here, at no point is Deafening Spirit a demon.  So it would not be targeted by Tartaros or Wandering Spirit. 

But for the sake of discussion, if Deafening Spirit was a demon and if you discarded DS, it would go to Tartaros.  However it would automatically revert to an enhancement at the end of battle and since it would no longer be a legal target for Tartaros then it would be discarded.  And hypothetically Wandering Spirit would return it to bottom of deck if discarded during battle.   

1. Deafening Spirit only says evil character (not demon).

Ha, I didn't even read the REG entry, just copy/pasted. I was going off the actual card which IDs it as a Demon. I don't see how it can't be classified as anything but a demon if you treat it as an evil character (hence the name, Deafening Spirit). I would think the print on the actual card would be correct, and not the REG.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure we played it right, (DS went under w/ WS) since the battle isn't over until hero leaves battle?

Tartaros and Wandering Spirit are both insteads, so I think the ruling of "whichever was out first works" would apply here. INE, though.

If u had both, Tartaros takes precedence over WS.

I've never played w/ Tartaros before, so l do have one more Q. The phrase "all demons that holder discards" means demons that u discard w/ a special ability or by the numbers, and not demons your opponent discards by the numbers or by an effect, right? In other words, If an opponent AotLs my Prince I can't put it in Tart, but if I AotL Prince I can put it in Tart? Yes?

1. Deafening Spirit only says evil character (not demon).

I'm pretty sure its still a demon.  That is probably a typo.  The Card actually has a demon identifier.

Maybe we can get some one in the know to comment here and let us know if Deafening Spirit is a demon.