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David’s Sin
« on: November 28, 2018, 09:10:50 PM »
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How exactly does the second part work? Does the hero in battle get withdrawn and a new negated male hero is added to battle? The same idea for Ehud if he’s banded into battle.

David’s Sin - “You may negate opponent’s male hero and choose it to attack.”

Ehud - “...and choose a male EC in opponent’s territory to block.”
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2018, 11:09:43 PM »
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Yes. It's not a "withdraw" ability (we untangled that a couple years ago), but the current Hero returns to territory.

There should be an REG entry under "choose opponent" that explains it in more detail.
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2018, 07:20:46 AM »
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Thanks.

I need some clarification on this Special Conditions entry.

“A choose opponent effect used before the initial character is presented cannot be interrupted, but it can be prevented.“

Who is the initial character, the one that was sent back to territory by a CtO effect or the one who was chosen to rescue/block? And why can’t it be interrupted? A couple of scenario examples would be helpful as well.
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2018, 10:29:03 AM »
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The initial character is the first one presented to block.

Essentially a player only gets one chance to make an initial block (and a pre-block choose the blocker ability makes that decision for them). Any other character added to battle must be via band or add to battle ability.

This is why Ehud can choose King of Tyrus, and KoT does not negate the CtB and send himself back to territory.

Another example would be if Jacob (FooF) played Obedience of Noah (pre-block) to choose an EC. Later in the battle, a "negate all enhancements" card is played. OoN is not negated because the chosen EC is the initial character.
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2018, 10:51:27 AM »
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Ok got it. If I had not read that REG entry I would have never known that ability is CBI. Is the reason it’s CBI is to prevent a messy undoing of who initially was blocking/rescuing and all of the related abilities?
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2018, 10:56:23 AM »
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Essentially yes. The idea is that you can't negate the fact that someone blocked (otherwise the argument could be made that they would get to choose a different blocker and block again).
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2018, 11:12:37 AM »
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Thanks!
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2018, 09:40:57 AM »
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Would wording on cards like Complainers and Medium in Endor (exchange a hero) be considered a choose the rescuer ability and as such making the exchange ability CBI?
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2018, 10:12:11 AM »
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Quote from: Watchman on November 29, 2018, 07:20:46 AM

“A choose opponent effect used before the initial character is presented cannot be interrupted, but it can be prevented.“


It is a different situation because the initial character was already presented.

IMO it could be negated, but I will be interested to see an elder response.
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2018, 10:30:42 AM »
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Quote from: Watchman on December 03, 2018, 09:40:57 AM
Would wording on cards like Complainers and Medium in Endor (exchange a hero) be considered a choose the rescuer ability and as such making the exchange ability CBI?

Those are both just exchange abilities and not choose the opponent abilities. One key difference is that if two Heroes are attacking, a choose the rescuer ability would replace both the Heroes in battle with the new chosen Hero while Medium and Complainers can only exchange one for one.
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2018, 09:07:04 PM »
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Quote from: Kevinthedude on December 03, 2018, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: Watchman on December 03, 2018, 09:40:57 AM
Would wording on cards like Complainers and Medium in Endor (exchange a hero) be considered a choose the rescuer ability and as such making the exchange ability CBI?

Those are both just exchange abilities and not choose the opponent abilities. One key difference is that if two Heroes are attacking, a choose the rescuer ability would replace both the Heroes in battle with the new chosen Hero while Medium and Complainers can only exchange one for one.

So the rescuer would have SI if the hero that’s targeted for exchange is the only one in battle, correct?
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2018, 09:18:12 PM »
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Quote from: Watchman on December 03, 2018, 09:07:04 PM
So the rescuer would have SI if the hero that’s targeted for exchange is the only one in battle, correct?

No, the rescuer still has a Hero (even though it's a different one) in battle after the exchange ability, so they don't get SI as their last hero isn't being removed.
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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2018, 09:43:56 PM »
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Quote from: jesse on December 03, 2018, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: Watchman on December 03, 2018, 09:07:04 PM
So the rescuer would have SI if the hero that’s targeted for exchange is the only one in battle, correct?

No, the rescuer still has a Hero (even though it's a different one) in battle after the exchange ability, so they don't get SI as their last hero isn't being removed.



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Re: David’s Sin
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2018, 06:59:43 AM »
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Quote from: jesse on December 03, 2018, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: Watchman on December 03, 2018, 09:07:04 PM
So the rescuer would have SI if the hero that’s targeted for exchange is the only one in battle, correct?

No, the rescuer still has a Hero (even though it's a different one) in battle after the exchange ability, so they don't get SI as their last hero isn't being removed.

Ok thx. I believe I was thinking of a different scenario and was getting the two mixed up.
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