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If Goliath kicks out a hero and the new hero puts the battle in mutual destruction, who has initiative?

When there is a stalemate or a mutual destruction, the player who did not play the last card has initiative, but he must pass initiative if he does not play a card.

A card is considered "played" (1) when its special ability activates or (2) when it is put into play – except by a "place" special ability or a "holds" identifier.

So I would say that the new character comes in and activates his ability, and then it is Goliath's initiative. Unless the character has no SA...

I'm not elder, but I'm of the opposite opinion. The hero(es) enters the battle due to Goliath's special ability, and by the time that finished resolving (which includes the hero's special ability), his was the last special ability that finished resolving, meaning initiative would be the hero's. Just my .

Nameless is correct. Goliaths ability completes (it has to before the hero activates) then the new hero activates so mutual initiative goes to Goliath.

And the definition of play says: "A card is considered "played" (1) when its special ability activates or (2) when it is put into play – except by a "place" special ability or a "holds" identifier."

The hero entering battle is part of Goliath's ability, it by definition CAN'T be after Goliath's ability "completes" because it's part of his ability. Therefore, by the definition of "play" above, Goliath's ability was the last to activate/resolve, so the hero should gain initiative via the quote Ken posted above as Goliath was the last card "played."

The hero entering battle is part of Goliath's ability, it by definition CAN'T be after Goliath's ability "completes" because it's part of his ability.

By the rules the hero MUST activate after Goliath's ability completes, since an ability cannot activate until the currently active one is resolved.

Quote from: REG > Initiative

When there is a stalemate or a mutual destruction, the player who did not play the last card has initiative, but he must pass initiative if he does not play a card.

Quote from: REG > Play

A card is considered "played" (1) when its special ability activates or (2) when it is put into play – except by a "place" special ability or a "holds" identifier.

So I would say that the new character comes in and activates his ability, and then it is Goliath's initiative. Unless the character has no SA...

No one seemed to comment on this. I thought it was pretty clear. I'm just not sure about a scenario with an ability-less hero. Does its ability activate even if it doesn't have one?

The order of play depends on the beginning of the playing, not the order of resolution. If I play Reach, then AoC, Reach was played first.