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Temple Artifact?
« on: August 22, 2009, 12:00:24 AM »
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From the REG:

The following artifacts can be regularly found in the temple:
•      Altar of Burnt Offering, Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, Book of the Covenant, Book of the Law, Holy of Holies, Lampstand of the Sanctuary, Pot of Manna, Table of Showbread, Tables of the Law, Temple Veil, The Bronze Laver, The Silver Trumpets, Windows of Narrow Light
       NOTE: Several items may be periodically found in the temple, but are not considered part of this category (e.g., Asherah Pole, Priestly Breastplate (C Deck) or Priestly Breastplate (Priests), Priestly Crown, Urim and Thummim)

So Priestly Crown, Priestly Breastplate, etc are not considered Temple artifacts because they were only found there "periodically"?  I remember a thread from a month or so ago on this subject but couldn't find it.  For what length of time must an artifact be found in the temple for it to be a Temple artifact?  I was just curious where that line is drawn.

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Re: Temple Artifact?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2009, 12:02:20 AM »
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Items that were made specifically for the purpose of remaining in the Temple. Items like Priestly Breastplate, Blue Tassels, Urim and Thummin, and Priestly Crown were made for the Priests to wear, wherever they happened to be.
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Re: Temple Artifact?
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2009, 12:11:27 AM »
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Most of the things on that list were found in the temple all the time (altars, books, actual parts of the temple building, Ark of the Covenant and everything in it, and then The Bronze Laver). Asherah poles were only in Solomon's Temple for a short period of time, and the rest of the things on that non-temple artifact list were items actually worn by the priests. I don't know the background to The Silver Trumpets, but they don't seem to me to belong on the temple artifact list.

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Re: Temple Artifact?
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2009, 12:13:06 AM »
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Hmm...I was under the impression that the Priestly garments were only worn inside the temple while it stood.  Maybe I'm wrong about that, though.  Thanks for answering my question.

Also, this is rather unrelated, but I noticed that Temple Veil is found in the list of Tabernacle Artifacts.  Temple Veil. :)

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Re: Temple Artifact?
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2009, 01:24:27 AM »
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Strange, I remember at one time it was decided that the Temple Veil in question was only found in Herod's Temple, and thus wasn't a temple artifact.  Was that decision reversed?  Why?
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Re: Temple Artifact?
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2009, 11:18:23 AM »
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Well, the REG entry on Temple Artifacts says that "The reference to temple is general and includes Solomon’s Temple, Zerubbabel’s Temple, and Herod’s Temple. ".  However, the Solomon's Temple card itself says that it only holds artifacts "found in Solomon's Temple".  When I went to the entry "Found in Solomon's Temple", it said" "See Temple Artifacts".  There is obviously some sort of discrepancy here.  Unless the reference doesn't matter.  Because as far as I know, there was a veil in Solomon's Temple.  But regardless, my point about it not being a Tabernacle artifact (since it's a Temple Veil) Still stands. :)
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Re: Temple Artifact?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2009, 12:36:01 AM »
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All cards that are "Temple Artifacts" were found in Solomon's Temple. There was certainly a Veil there, as you pointed out, but the reference does not matter. If it did, it wouldn't make sense for Z's Temple to hold any artifacts, since all the references of Temple artifacts describe those that were made for Solomon's Temple.
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Re: Temple Artifact?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2009, 12:40:27 AM »
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I realize that, but at one time, it was ruled to not be a temple artifact because the particular veil (the one that was torn) was not the same veil in the other temples.  I'm not saying that this is the way it should be, I'm simply curious if anyone knows what happened with that particular ruling.
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