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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2011, 03:50:41 PM »
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I think you should be able to have Mr. Coal and the blue bander in the same deck. I mean, are Joseph and Joseph the Carpenter considered the same character? ::)

No, but they don't have the same picture or reference (I know that the blue bander has a different reference on the card, but that was clearly an error).

Does that mean blue's value just went up, since he's an error card now? I'll sell you mine for twice its TLG value!
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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2011, 11:33:28 AM »
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I think you should be able to have Mr. Coal and the blue bander in the same deck. I mean, are Joseph and Joseph the Carpenter considered the same character? ::)

No, but they don't have the same picture or reference (I know that the blue bander has a different reference on the card, but that was clearly an error).

Does that mean blue's value just went up, since he's an error card now? I'll sell you mine for twice its TLG value!

I'll trade you my Alexander the Coopersmith for your Seraphim. Both of them are errors. The problem is there are none in existence that are correct.
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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2011, 10:50:37 AM »
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I think you should be able to have Mr. Coal and the blue bander in the same deck. I mean, are Joseph and Joseph the Carpenter considered the same character? ::)

No, but they don't have the same picture or reference (I know that the blue bander has a different reference on the card, but that was clearly an error).
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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2011, 10:59:51 AM »
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More importantly, is AoCP now a Matthew enhancement?
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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2011, 04:33:32 PM »
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The fact that these Seraphs are the same has nothing to do with the reference.  I have no idea why the reference is even being discussed, as it has never been part of the discussion as to whether two cards are considered the same.

All that matters is Title, Art, and Brigade.

Titles are the same regardless of plural and added specificity.
Art is the same regardless of flipping the image or zooming.

If the title and art match, they are the same card.

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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2011, 06:22:41 PM »
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I have no idea why the reference is even being discussed, as it has never been part of the discussion as to whether two cards are considered the same.

I think people are just mixing the rules with Name-on-Name bonus (i.e. Huge Egyptian and Egyptian Spear).
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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2011, 06:27:05 PM »
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If the title and art match, they are the same card.

Or the title and brigade, right?  e.g. Michael and Michael?

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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2011, 06:34:11 PM »
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Same Art + Same Title = same card.  This is true for ALL characters and enhancements.  See King of Tyrus (Gold vs. Orange).  See also Gibeonite Trickery (brown vs. black).

Same Title + Same Brigade = same card.  This is true for enhancements and UNIQUE characters.  See Gabriel (Warriors vs Disciples).  See also Ointment (Warriors? vs. Deck C?)

Same Generic Title + Different art = different card.  This is true for Generic characters only.  See Pharisees, Pharisees, Pharisees.

Different art + Different Brigade = different card.  This is true for characters and enhancements.  See Bow and Arrow (good gold) and Bow and Arrow (gray).  See also David (red) and David (green).  See also Fortify Site (gray) and Fortify Site (black).
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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2011, 12:56:49 AM »
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I have no idea why the reference is even being discussed, as it has never been part of the discussion as to whether two cards are considered the same.

I think people are just mixing the rules with Name-on-Name bonus (i.e. Huge Egyptian and Egyptian Spear).
Ah.  That is probably it.

If the title and art match, they are the same card.

Or the title and brigade, right?  e.g. Michael and Michael?
Right, but that is for unique characters only.  Multiple Pharisees with DIFFERENT ART are OK, because they are generic.  Multiple Gabriels or Michaels are not, even with different art.

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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2011, 06:45:19 PM »
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Seraphim (blue) and Seraphim (green) are both generic, while the two reprints are unique. Does this effect deck building at all?

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Re: Seraph/Seraphim confusion
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2011, 06:48:03 PM »
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I had brought up the unique generic difference in my first post as well.

 


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