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Offline Minister Polarius

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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2009, 08:00:19 PM »
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Quote from: Colin Michael on August 25, 2009, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 24, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
Me too. Unfortunately, the Holy Scriptures don't say anything on the subject.
Fortunately, reason tells us that nature spirits don't exist.
Unfortunately, the kind of reason you are talking about is woefully inadequate.
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2009, 08:09:45 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 25, 2009, 08:00:19 PM
Quote from: Colin Michael on August 25, 2009, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 24, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
Me too. Unfortunately, the Holy Scriptures don't say anything on the subject.
Fortunately, reason tells us that nature spirits don't exist.
Unfortunately, the kind of reason you are talking about is woefully inadequate.
To a schizophrenic, nature spirits exist. In the commonly accepted form of reality, they do not.
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2009, 08:42:18 PM »
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"Commonly accepted" is ambiguous and subjective. In the commonly accepted form of Greek reality, lightning was Zeus getting angry and geometry was magic.
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2009, 08:43:40 PM »
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in videogames, lightning = makes all the other karts little, geometry = geometry wars. :)
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2009, 08:46:21 PM »
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Quote from: Master KChief on August 25, 2009, 08:43:40 PM
in videogames, lightning = makes all the other karts little, geometry = geometry wars. :)
no Lightning Damages Jedi!
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2009, 08:48:37 PM »
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Quote from: The Warrior on August 25, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Master KChief on August 25, 2009, 08:43:40 PM
in videogames, lightning = makes all the other karts little, geometry = geometry wars. :)
no Lightning Damages Jedi!
Only ones without lightsabers ;)
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #56 on: August 25, 2009, 08:52:30 PM »
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Quote from: browarod on August 25, 2009, 08:48:37 PM
Quote from: The Warrior on August 25, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Master KChief on August 25, 2009, 08:43:40 PM
in videogames, lightning = makes all the other karts little, geometry = geometry wars. :)
no Lightning Damages Jedi!
Only ones without lightsabers ;)
Right you are not.
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #57 on: August 25, 2009, 08:58:21 PM »
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Quote from: The Warrior on August 25, 2009, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: browarod on August 25, 2009, 08:48:37 PM
Quote from: The Warrior on August 25, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Master KChief on August 25, 2009, 08:43:40 PM
in videogames, lightning = makes all the other karts little, geometry = geometry wars. :)
no Lightning Damages Jedi!
Only ones without lightsabers ;)
Right you are not.
That's more an exception than a rule, methinks. Another like Yoda, there is not.
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #58 on: August 25, 2009, 09:58:07 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 25, 2009, 08:42:18 PM
"Commonly accepted" is ambiguous and subjective. In the commonly accepted form of Greek reality, lightning was Zeus getting angry and geometry was magic.
That was correct by their cultural mythology. You claim is not correct within a Christian mythology. To go off pure subjective experience would be pure solipsistry (and linguistically counter-intuitive). To rational sane people, the phenomenon of "nature spirits" does not appear. Since there is no scientific grounds for positing the existence of nature spirits as unseen (by observation of some effect of their presence), logic concludes that nature spirits do not exist.
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #59 on: August 25, 2009, 10:26:32 PM »
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2009, 11:16:13 PM »
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And here we are sports fans at the bottom of the thread with oh no's on second and whogivesacrap up to the plate. This could be it folks..heres the reasoning behind the thread- he swings..and a miss. Al this post seems to be going nowhere. Here comes the final post of the evening..and its gone! I cant belive it. This thread is out a here. Thats another one in the history books folks!
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2009, 04:23:56 AM »
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Quote from: Colin Michael on August 25, 2009, 09:58:07 PM
That was correct by their cultural mythology. You claim is not correct within a Christian mythology. To go off pure subjective experience would be pure solipsistry (and linguistically counter-intuitive). To rational sane people, the phenomenon of "nature spirits" does not appear. Since there is no scientific grounds for positing the existence of nature spirits as unseen (by observation of some effect of their presence), logic concludes that nature spirits do not exist.
Spirits are outside the realm of science by definition, so it doesn't even make sense that you would bring that up. Many "rational, sane people" believe that there is no God, or say that they do. You have made no argument that holds any water logically, and you're the one who is attempting to argue in favor of logic.

To make sure the point is made:
-What "rational, sane people" do or do not experience is not for you to say. You can only say what you do or do not experience. Your first point is completely void.
-Spirits are outside the natural, which is all science can deal with by definition. Your second point is completely void.
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Re: Daniel and friends, Magicians?
« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2009, 09:22:47 AM »
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Enough
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