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"Gains the ability"
« on: April 24, 2018, 10:03:11 AM »
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How precicely does "gain an ability" work? Is that ability effectively added to the end of the character's ability? Can it be activated first?

For example, say I'm running Judges. I block with Lying Spirit while Moses is in play, So I get to choose a human hero in my territory to gain the ability "Choose a human king to block. Limit once." If I give it to Jephthah (J) in my territory, does his discard activate before the choose? Conversely, if I give it to Prisoner in Gaza, can he choose a king to block before swapping out for Jephthah (allowing Jephthah to target the king in battle with his discard)?
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Re: "Gains the ability"
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2018, 10:06:01 AM »
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Quote from: REG
Ability Activation Order

Whenever a character (or group of characters) are played in battle:
1. Verify the rescuing/taunting/attacking/blocking/defending status of the characters in battle and
the players involved in the battle.
2. Activate all abilities in the order written on the card EXCEPT those with effects that add a
character to a battle.

3. Activate all gained abilities in the order gained EXCEPT those with effects that add a
character to a battle.
4. Activate all abilities on any equipped weapons EXCEPT those with effects that add a
character to a battle.
5. Activate all abilities with effects that add a character to the same side of battle. This includes
steps 1-5 for all new characters added to battle, in the order added.
6. Verify the begins a battle/blocked status of the characters that are/were in battle and the
players involved in the battle.
7. Activate all abilities with effects that add a character to the opposite side of battle. This
includes steps 1-7 for all new characters added to battle, in the order added.

8. Activate all abilities with side battle effects. This includes steps 1-8 for all new characters
added to a battle, in the order added.
9. Activate all pending abilities with triggered effects, following the order provided in the
definition of triggered effect abilities.

Not sure where the REG talks about giving special abilities. (pretty much the opposite of Copy?)
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Re: "Gains the ability"
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2018, 10:29:16 AM »
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So how would giving Prisoner in Gaza a CTB ability work? Would I still get to choose after swapping out and activating the ability on the hero added to battle or would it just never activate? Jephthah's daughter does something similar, but in her case one ability leads to the other; if the ability is added from an outside source does it get a chance to activate if the user isn't in battle by the time it has a chance to go off?
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Re: "Gains the ability"
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2018, 11:27:49 AM »
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Ah yes didn't notice the "gain" entry.

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Gain

How to Play
● A gain effect adds one or more characteristics to a character.
● The characteristics may be abilities, identifiers, or brigades.
● A gain effect does not replace any of the character's characteristics.
● A gain effect targets the character to be enhanced.
● Unless otherwise specified, targets must be in play.
● All gain effects are instant.

Says nothing about when they activate so it works however the Ability Activation Order says it does (I don't know exactly how Prisoner at Gaza works with a gain ability TBH).
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Re: "Gains the ability"
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2018, 12:11:58 PM »
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Gained abilities are #3 in the ability activation order. Except CTB which is always #7.

Prisoner at Gaza captures and adds Jephthah to battle (5), Jephthah discards (2) as part of being added to battle, then the CTB happens (7). The CTB happens after Jephthah's discard, regardless of which character has it.

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Re: "Gains the ability"
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2018, 12:16:26 PM »
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Oh duh I can't believe I missed #3 before :P
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