Author Topic: Cymbal of the Levites (Read 3585 times)

Captain Falcon · « **on:** April 06, 2010, 09:18:34 PM »

Say I attack with Chenaiah. Opponent uses Philistine Outpost to pull out Philistine Garrison. I play Cymbal of the Levites to negate Philistine Outpost. What happens? does the Garrison return to deck, leaving me blocker-less or what?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2010, 09:57:21 PM »

*Devilish laugh* You get a Virtual cookie.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2010, 10:05:23 PM »

Yes you could. It has to be used in the battle phase because of the "When attacked". Its evil, Cymbal can hit it. Okay Let me clarify, UNLESS he discards PO for its ability (which is RARE) you can negate it. PG then goes to wherever it was before. Also to DMM, He is hurting chen, in fact at this point chen is dying. As said, he gets a cookie.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2010, 10:28:59 PM »

Yes, but your cookie is taco-flavored, because no one uses musicians.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2010, 10:35:20 PM »

So if im getting this right, Cymbals wins the battle be cause the blocker gets shuffled back into the deck?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** April 06, 2010, 10:38:58 PM »

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on April 06, 2010, 10:35:20 PM

So if im getting this right, Cymbals wins the battle be cause the blocker gets shuffled back into the deck?

Yes...but beware of taco cookies...

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #6 on:** April 06, 2010, 11:17:42 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on April 06, 2010, 10:28:59 PM

Yes, but your cookie is taco-flavored, because no one uses musicians.

*smiles* Never say that

Gabe · « **Reply #7 on:** April 06, 2010, 11:22:27 PM »

You're brilliant, Martin.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #8 on:** April 06, 2010, 11:31:32 PM »

Thanks so much

that made my day.

Oh and if their territory is barren, attack with ethan and do it again, granted they pull out a character from the deck.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #9 on:** April 06, 2010, 11:41:36 PM »

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on April 06, 2010, 11:31:32 PM

Thanks so much that made my day.

Oh and if their territory is barren, attack with ethan and do it again, granted they pull out a character from the deck.

Of course. I won't mention a gathered ET+Aoc would do that nicely though.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #10 on:** April 06, 2010, 11:41:49 PM »

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on April 06, 2010, 09:18:34 PM

Say I attack with Chenaiah. Opponent uses Philistine Outpost to pull out Philistine Garrison. I play Cymbal of the Levites to negate Philistine Outpost. What happens? does the Garrison return to deck, leaving me blocker-less or what?

I believe your opponent would get another chance to block (but could not use PO, since it is negated). Negating PO makes it as if it was never used, and PO was never legally able to block, and thus your opponent never actually blocked, and thus he can now block your rescue.

Either that, or you just found a way to ruin a Philistine player's life.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2010, 01:19:33 AM »

I hope the latter

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2010, 01:27:46 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on April 06, 2010, 11:41:49 PM

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on April 06, 2010, 09:18:34 PM
Say I attack with Chenaiah. Opponent uses Philistine Outpost to pull out Philistine Garrison. I play Cymbal of the Levites to negate Philistine Outpost. What happens? does the Garrison return to deck, leaving me blocker-less or what?

I believe your opponent would get another chance to block (but could not use PO, since it is negated). Negating PO makes it as if it was never used, and PO was never legally able to block, and thus your opponent never actually blocked, and thus he can now block your rescue.

Either that, or you just found a way to ruin a Philistine player's life.

Heres the catch though.

PO doesnt add a character to battle. It just adds the character to their territory. Thus, you never negate their BLOCK. That is still the players own action.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #13 on:** April 07, 2010, 01:42:59 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on April 07, 2010, 01:27:46 AM

Heres the catch though.

PO doesnt add a character to battle. It just adds the character to their territory. Thus, you never negate their BLOCK. That is still the players own action.

But negating PO negates their ability to legally block with Garrison. So up until that point of the battle, your opponent has not made a legal block. I think...

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2010, 02:58:00 AM »

Does removal by indirect negation proffer special initiative?

Master KChief · « **Reply #15 on:** April 07, 2010, 04:31:42 AM »

this is as confusing as the portal conundrum.

Gabe · « **Reply #16 on:** April 07, 2010, 07:07:19 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 07, 2010, 02:58:00 AM

Does removal by indirect negation proffer special initiative?

It seems to me that it should/would except that Cymbal of the Levites is CBN. That's why I think this works.

Master KChief · « **Reply #17 on:** April 07, 2010, 08:52:10 AM »

chenaniah and cymbals seems pretty beast now...

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #18 on:** April 07, 2010, 10:19:55 AM »

YES!! This post made me super excited lol so I made an offense with this and some daniel/angels. Tell me what you think.

Heroes: 8
Abednego
Mishach
Chenaiah
Ethan
Michael (Kings)
El Capitan
Angel at Shur
Angel in the Path (Warriors)

Enhancements: 9
Cymbals of the Levites (no question)
Sing with Stringed Instruments
Undefiled
Gentle Resolution
Angel's Sword
Three Angels
Striking Herod
Protection of Angels
Seventh Trumpet

Artifacts: 3
Holy Grail
Chariot of Fire
Three Nails

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #19 on:** April 07, 2010, 10:30:36 AM »

If I Made a musician offense, I would be sure to get King David, King Solomon, and Royal Parade in there, but that's just me.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #20 on:** April 07, 2010, 02:30:14 PM »

Anybody else?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** April 07, 2010, 02:45:57 PM »

Here's an updated version of a musician offense that did pretty well for me before TxP:

Asaph
Chenaniah
Ethan
Heman
Cymbals of the Levites (Musical)
Words of Encouragement
King David
King Solomon
AoCP
Reach
Royal Parade (Musical? It has David dancing and trumpets blowing, but I can't remember the conclusion on its musicalness...I guess it doesn't make a difference in this offense though...)
Angel in the Path
Angel at Shur
Captain of the Host
Protection of Angels (Musical)

The Stars (Musical)

Musicians' Chamber

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #22 on:** April 09, 2010, 11:28:40 AM »

I'm wondering why king solomon? I just want to stick to two brigades of offense.
I was playing a game yesterday against nathan voigt and he said that if I negated PO with CotL they could block again. I need it settled: Do they get to block again if I negate the fortress or not?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #23 on:** April 09, 2010, 12:05:25 PM »

Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on April 09, 2010, 11:28:40 AM

I'm wondering why king solomon?

Aside from the fact that Chenaniah can band to him, he can also look at your opponent's hand and search for Musician's Chambers, as well as WoP or any other OT fort you might use for defense. He's even more useful than King D...

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I just want to stick to two brigades of offense.

Well then, I would definitely make that second brigade Purple, but adding a little silver can be a big help, too.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2010, 12:19:17 AM »

when I used Musicians, I had
Asaph
Ethan
Heman
Kenny
King Amazing
Moses
Angel in the Path

Protection of Angels
Transfig
Covenant of Moses
Moses and the Elders
Words
Cymbals
Sing with Stringed Instruments

that's what I remember. it worked pretty well. I don't have a King David, so...but paired with a deck discard defense, it was beast.

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Author Topic: Cymbal of the Levites (Read 3585 times)

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