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The Schaef

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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2009, 06:00:47 PM »
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In the case of each card, the text stating to put the cards in a certain order overrides the default of 2). returning the cards in the same order and 3). shuffling the searched cards (which I would rule only applies to the top six even if a shuffle occurred).

Question 1 raises an interesting point.  In practice, the only difference between the two types of hand discard are whether the discarded card is known or not.  Possibilities include a "Look at" ability separate from the discard ability, which could be either random or chosen, and that would be somewhat consistent with a player knowing the contents of his own hand if he is forced to choose one to discard; or that "look at" with a target given a second effect (e.g. discard) counts as a Search (and would probably warrant a Play As similar to False Peace).

Quote from: BubbleBoy on May 19, 2009, 05:58:01 PM
Why can't "Look at" be sort of a sub-option of "Search," Like CBP is to CBN or something? I mean, CBP is clearly different from CBN....

Why can't Look At be a sort of sub-option of Reveal?  That's what we've been trying to call it so far this thread...
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2009, 06:16:54 PM »
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Protect Zeresh and Haman from conversion.  May band to Haman to search the top 6 cards of your draw pile for an evil card.  Return the rest in any order.

All this time I have been returning the (N-6) draw pile cards in any order.  This has worked well as I normally put the dominants and battle winners at the top so I draw them in 2 turns.
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2009, 06:58:37 PM »
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Hey,

Quote from: The Schaef on May 19, 2009, 06:00:47 PM
Why can't Look At be a sort of sub-option of Reveal?

"Reveal" first appeared on a Redemption card in the Angel Wars set in 2004.  "Look at" first appeared on a Redemption card in the Prophets set in 1996.  For eight years and the first 14 times the phrase "look at" was used in Redemption it couldn't be a sub-option of Reveal because Reveal didn't exist.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2009, 08:47:07 PM »
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I'm sorry, the current rules have something to do with the order the abilities initially appeared why, now?
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2009, 09:17:46 PM »
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Reveal and "look at" are the same ability, with just a different number of players participating.

Reveal could be written "all players look at."

Search and reveal are not the same.  Search implies you are looking for something.
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2009, 10:04:58 PM »
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Search implies you are looking for something.

Is that in anything official?  (Not questioning the logic, just wondering if there's something to point to other than "Bryon said so".)
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2009, 10:12:36 PM »
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It's covered in part in the "How to Play" quoted earlier in this thread, and the "Default Conditions" section lays out a number of rules regarding types of cards searched FOR.  Additionally, there is no search card that does not target a card to go to hand or have something else you are instructed to do with the card you search for.
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2009, 12:29:30 AM »
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Quote from: RedemptionAggie on May 19, 2009, 10:04:58 PM
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Search implies you are looking for something.

Is that in anything official?  (Not questioning the logic, just wondering if there's something to point to other than "Bryon said so".)
Does it get more official than that? I have won so many ruling questions by saying, "That's what Bryon told me."  ;D :D
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2009, 01:09:04 AM »
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You can't just rule based on "Bryon said so."  But when Schaef and I agree, we have a decent correct percentage.
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2009, 10:44:00 AM »
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Careful!  If we get a thread wherein Marcus is NOT correct, there just may be that earthquake when CA slides into the ocean.   :P
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2009, 12:39:13 PM »
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Marcus' correct percentage is extremely high.  But when he's using an outdated/incomplete REG entry on which to base his answer, it stands to reason his answer might be outdated/incomplete as well.
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2009, 04:06:36 PM »
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I have only counted one thread in which Bryon was wrong... and he's been on a LOT of threads. So I think that's a pretty good percentage. Probably because he never posts when we have a REALLY difficult ruling...  ::) ;)
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2009, 04:16:46 PM »
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LOL.  I've been wrong a LOT more than that.  But I do like waiting to hear other peoples' responses before jumping into the really sharky waters.
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Re: John (Promo)
« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2009, 04:22:24 PM »
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Haha, I always jump right in, and typically on the ones that are the hardest. Probably why no one PM's me for rulings...  8)
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