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Hey,

Covenant with Levi - "Your Priests have access to all Sites.  If your Priest rescues a Lost Soul from a Site, you may place an Evil Character or Enhancement beneath owner’s draw pile."

Can I place a good enhancement beneath owner's draw pile with this?  Or does "Evil" apply to both "Character" and "Enhancement"?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I think that Samson's Sacrifice and similar cards have similar wording: "If used by a judge, negate and discard one O.T. evil Fortress or occupied Site in play to discard all cards in battle and all human Evil Characters in opponent’s territory." In my experience, that has usually been read as being able to discard an OT Evil Fortress or any occupied Site (NT or OT). I suppose it could be read as an OT Evil Fortress or OT occupied Site, but I think it is more likely that it is meant for any occupied Site.

That said, I would say you can put a good enhancement beneath owner's draw pile with CwL.

Is there any real practical use for this? All I can think of is burying an Enhancement in Storehouse or Musician's Chamber.

I don't think other abilities can insert themselves during resolution. That was the answer I got when I asked about Lay Down your Life.

My opinion is that the "Evil" identifier applies to both Character and Enhancement. In the Prof's case of Samson's Sacrifice, there is no such thing as an OT Evil occupied Site, so it stands to reason that (using this line of logic) it could potentially be any Enhancement, good or evil. I would lean more towards the card was intended to place evil enhancements beneath deck, but what do I know?

Quote from: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 09:03:21 AM

My opinion is that the "Evil" identifier applies to both Character and Enhancement. In the Prof's case of Samson's Sacrifice, there is no such thing as an OT Evil occupied Site, so it stands to reason that (using this line of logic) it could potentially be any Enhancement, good or evil. I would lean more towards the card was intended to place evil enhancements beneath deck, but what do I know?

That's what I got out of it. It all goes back to grammar. If it said place an evil character or an enhancement beneath deck than yeah it would be good or evil, but it says an evil character or ehancement which means that the evil is referring to both

Grammatically speaking, the or could go either way as it currently is written. I can say I have a black bag and book and mean either black bag and black book or black bag and nondescript book. It sounds weird if I mean the latter, but they are both grammatically correct meanings for what I said.

As a general rule of thumb, a describing word (correct word fails me currently) goes with both of the items mentioned. But, then again, I'm not an (English) elder.

Is "English" a describing word? Could you be a French elder?

except not. we should get some sort of proofreading staff from some big-name company to help us decide.
i say that you play it as whatever is convinient at the time.

Quote from: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 09:03:21 AM

My opinion is that the "Evil" identifier applies to both Character and Enhancement. In the Prof's case of Samson's Sacrifice, there is no such thing as an OT Evil occupied Site, so it stands to reason that (using this line of logic) it could potentially be any Enhancement, good or evil. I would lean more towards the card was intended to place evil enhancements beneath deck, but what do I know?

That's what I got out of it. It all goes back to grammar. If it said place an evil character or an enhancement beneath deck than yeah it would be good or evil, but it says an evil character or ehancement which means that the evil is referring to both

These guys both got what was intended by the wording.  Browarod is correct that it could be interpreted either way, tough. 

This is one of the side effects of trying to keep special abilities short.  And keeping the special abilities short is a side effect of writing special abilities over the picture on the card. 

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 08, 2010, 11:26:57 PM

Is there any real practical use for this? All I can think of is burying an Enhancement in Storehouse or Musician's Chamber.

How about getting rid of "placed" enhancements in territories?

I think Polarius was referring to good enhancements, since that was the real question being posed. There are not many placed enhancements that are good. Another example would be an enhancement on Table of Showbread.

Lifting the Curse

Must be nice to have Disciples cards.... 

I've yet to see Lifting the Curse played. Still, if this card were allowed to return Good cards, all it would affect is Storehouse, Musician's Chamber, a UU/NU White card, a NU Purple card (Asa's Good Reign), and Enhancements placed by UU/NU placers (Sent to Serve etc. and Elishana etc.).

Um, UUNU?

I'm guessing UU = Underused, and NU = Not used.

He could have just said that, lol. Abbreviations are only shorter/faster when people know what they mean.