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1.  It's tied to the paralysis.  His paralysis ability can be negated during the battle phase but not afterward.  The hero can be healed, however, in territory by some other means, or the hero can be underdecked or discarded to remove the restrict caused by the paralysis.

2.  A multi-colored site is considered neutral brigade value, so it doesn't count towards a "brigade not in battle", only heroes and enhancements qualify.  It would only restrict DAEs if there were two brigades on the DAE (such as one of the bowls of wrath) if those brigades aren't already in battle.  Once a DAE gets played it's played either to good or evil alignment, so the opposite alignment wouldn't count towards a "brigade not already in battle" if it was played on a hero or villain.

1. Currently The Serpent's ongoing restrict ability may be negated in a separate phase while The Serpent is in play.

2. High Priest Ananias' ability says "with a brigade" specifically, not good brigade, which along with Affliction of Job does count toward brigades in play/battle.

How can Serpent's ability be negated in a separate phase (by which cards)?

Quote from: kariusvega on June 02, 2017, 02:11:28 PM

1. Currently The Serpent's ongoing restrict ability may be negated in a separate phase while The Serpent is in play.

2. High Priest Ananias' ability says "with a brigade" specifically, not good brigade, which along with Affliction of Job does count toward brigades in play/battle.

How can you (which cards) can negate Serpent's ability in a separate phase?

Serpent's restrict ability is ongoing not instant; you can negate it with any card that can target his ability just like any other card.

To clarify, the restrict is ongoing and can be negated ina later phase by any negate evil card.  The paralysis is instant so that cannot be negated in a later phase.

To clarify, the restrict is ongoing and can be negated ina later phase by any negate evil card.  The paralysis is instant so that cannot be negated in a later phase.

If the restrict can be negated in a later phase what's the target of the negate an evil card, The Serpent in your opponent's territory?  That doesn't make sense to me if that's the case.  And if it's no longer in territory how can you target The Serpent to negate the restrict if it's no longer in play?

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If the restrict can be negated in a later phase what's the target of the negate an evil card, The Serpent in your opponent's territory?  That doesn't make sense to me if that's the case.  And if it's no longer in territory how can you target The Serpent to negate the restrict if it's not longer in play?

If The Serpent is out of play (discarded, banished, etc) then it cannot be negated. However, if The Serpent is sitting in opponent's territory it has an on-going ability that can be targeted by a negate.

To clarify, the ability doesn't magically become CBN because Serpent left play, it just is functionally so given that it would be extremely difficult or in most cases impossible to target him and by extension his ability if he were not in play, correct?

Quote from: kariusvega on June 02, 2017, 02:11:28 PM

1. Currently The Serpent's ongoing restrict ability may be negated in a separate phase while The Serpent is in play.

2. High Priest Ananias' ability says "with a brigade" specifically, not good brigade, which along with Affliction of Job does count toward brigades in play/battle.

You are right about The Serpent but I would say that neutral versions of a brigade are not the same as their good counter parts, e.g. neutral red is a completely different brigade than good red, therefore brigades on sites in battle would not count as being the same brigade as those on good enhancements for the purposes of HPA's ability.

I would have to disagree as it's been clarified already that if a card has "X = # of Opponent's Brigades" that counts neutral brigades as the same as good brigades. They are not good cards, they are neutral cards. But neutral brigades function essentially as good brigades. Because Ananias does not specifically say "Good Brigades" then he's checking anything that has a Brigade to be the same as good cards your Opponent is trying to play.

same reason you can use angelic guidance to search for a silver card, ie a site - ends of the earth, babylon, new jerusalem, etc

Silver there refers to two different brigades, silver good and silver neutral. They are still completely separate brigades.

Quote from: Kevinthedude on June 02, 2017, 02:22:20 PM

Quote from: kariusvega on June 02, 2017, 02:11:28 PM

1. Currently The Serpent's ongoing restrict ability may be negated in a separate phase while The Serpent is in play.

2. High Priest Ananias' ability says "with a brigade" specifically, not good brigade, which along with Affliction of Job does count toward brigades in play/battle.

You are right about The Serpent but I would say that neutral versions of a brigade are not the same as their good counter parts, e.g. neutral red is a completely different brigade than good red, therefore brigades on sites in battle would not count as being the same brigade as those on good enhancements for the purposes of HPA's ability.

I would have to disagree as it's been clarified already that if a card has "X = # of Opponent's Brigades" that counts neutral brigades as the same as good brigades. They are not good cards, they are neutral cards. But neutral brigades function essentially as good brigades. Because Ananias does not specifically say "Good Brigades" then he's checking anything that has a Brigade to be the same as good cards your Opponent is trying to play.

DAEs are not neutral when played, they are either good or evil cards depending on what you play them as. Ananias is checking for same brigades, and sites shouldn't count since red on a site isn't the same brigade as red on a good enhancement.

Quote from: megamanlan on June 02, 2017, 05:13:18 PM

Quote from: Kevinthedude on June 02, 2017, 02:22:20 PM

Quote from: kariusvega on June 02, 2017, 02:11:28 PM

1. Currently The Serpent's ongoing restrict ability may be negated in a separate phase while The Serpent is in play.

2. High Priest Ananias' ability says "with a brigade" specifically, not good brigade, which along with Affliction of Job does count toward brigades in play/battle.

You are right about The Serpent but I would say that neutral versions of a brigade are not the same as their good counter parts, e.g. neutral red is a completely different brigade than good red, therefore brigades on sites in battle would not count as being the same brigade as those on good enhancements for the purposes of HPA's ability.

I would have to disagree as it's been clarified already that if a card has "X = # of Opponent's Brigades" that counts neutral brigades as the same as good brigades. They are not good cards, they are neutral cards. But neutral brigades function essentially as good brigades. Because Ananias does not specifically say "Good Brigades" then he's checking anything that has a Brigade to be the same as good cards your Opponent is trying to play.

DAEs are not neutral when played, they are either good or evil cards depending on what you play them as. Ananias is checking for same brigades, and sites shouldn't count since red on a site isn't the same brigade as red on a good enhancement.

As Kairus is saying, then with cards like Affliction of Job, it would count Netural brigades in addition to the good brigades which is rediculous. DAC/DAE's count as Good and Evil cards in hand/deck/Discard Pile.

I agree Watchman, as The Serpent is not territory class I do have a hard time understanding how he can be targeted for negate. The only other character I can think of with a similar on going ability that can be negated in territory who is not territory class is Simon the Zealot

Judas is an example of a semi-commonly played one, although he does have CBN so the interaction between it and negates doesn't come up.