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Grapes in a side battle does everything it normally does except it does not allow the start of a new rescue attempt because there is no "current rescuer" (since it would be an evil vs evil side battle).

Curses and Covenants still have their brigades when activated as Artifacts--I don't have a link to the ruling offhand, but I remember looking this up not too long ago.

I agree that it has a brigade in deck and discard pile, but where is the precedent for having a brigade while in play? A curse is an evil card, but where does the brigade come into play if it is an artifact and in play?

The precedent is Covenant Breakers' ability. It refers to a matching brigade to a Covenant. Sure, it doesn't necessarily make sense for Artifacts to have brigades, but it also wouldn't necessarily make sense for a card that clearly has a brigade to no longer have it (excepting via a Convert SA).

And yet it makes sense for a card that clearly has the artifact icon to no longer have that? I think it's a hairy situation either way.

Is Covenant Breakers the only card that targets a Covenant/Curse by brigade after it's in play? Because I feel it's inconsistent for them to keep some aspects of being enhancements when activated as artifacts but then not keep their artifact aspects as enhancements.

EDIT: I suppose the real question here is, do Covenants/Curses actually lose their artifact/enhancement status once played as the other? The REG simply states that they "cannot be targeted" as the other card type, which most people that I've played with take to mean it loses that card type, but for cards like Covenant Breakers it seems to contradict that general thinking.

On the other hand, if a card cannot be targeted as an enhancement, wouldn't that include the brigade? So how does Covenant Breakers target the covenant's brigade for the optional negate?

*might be overthinking this*

Thank you, I had forgotten about Pithom and didn't remember that about Damascus (I'm still trying to learn all the new cards).

I'm not saying that we should change precedent, or that Covs/Curses shouldn't have brigades, just that what they keep at different times seems inconsistent to me at this point.

If the brigades of Covs/Curses are part of their Covenant/Curse nature as you suggest (and not part of their enhancement halves, which is where they are printed on the card), I'd prefer that to be clarified in the definitions of the card type. That seems to be the way they are being treated right now, but having that set in stone within the rules/REG would be beneficial, imo.

I feel like it doesn't matter what type of side battle it is, there is never a current rescuer since side battles are always battle challenges so Grapes wouldn't allow another battle if played in any type of side battle.