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this is definitely a confusing one originally when i came back to the game i couldn't remember how it worked

you can play for example provisions in territory during prep or discard on a hero of matching brigade, but set aside a different hero. so you could play it on green david to set aside red ahimelek.

you don't have to play it in battle but it functions the same way there too

oh sorry yeah only your own heroes any time you can't use it to set aside your opponents even though you used to be able to

ask everytribe wildbill!!!

Thanks guys.

Is there also an official information available already? Could not find any yet, neither in Reg nor here in forum search. This ruling is a real pitty. 

Under most circumstances, setting aside your opponents' characters with a set-aside that was intended to be beneficial won't do you any good. However, this does mean you could play a Witnesses to Creation in battle to take Angel under the Oak out of the picture for seven turns, or Tower in battle to lock up a problem EC for six to name a couple.

So I can use Witnesses during battle to set aside Opponents AutO, right? Sure the setting aside of opponents cards will not do me any good, but there are other funny things which can be done... but IMHO this has been tried already, I am sure and not only within T2! 

That's a real pitty and I am sorry for your idea - since with Decree or maybe other cards this might become really funny!

It's more that such a ruling is completely absent in the brand new version of the REG. The only restriction on set-aside that's actually a rule is that non-TC set-asides can't target opponent's characters during main phases.

You cannot play a Set-Aside Enhancement on an Opponent's character. There are a couple exceptions though, like with Nebuchadnezzar's Pride or Pretension. But it has to say that it can Set-Aside all Characters (or an Opponent's Character).

So could Chemosh set aside one opponents EC when played during battle? And does this part of its ability count as duration: "Evil character decreases 0/1 each turn until Evil character is discarded."

My understanding of Set-Aside is that it can NEVER set-aside your Opponent's cards unless the card says it can. Otherwise, Set-Aside's default to your characters. The rules may have changed though, but that is why you don't see people playing Set-Aside's in battle, except for battle-winners. (Besides that most Set-Asides won't affect the battle.)

If that is your understanding, then you need to read the REG entry, because it contradicts your understanding.

And many set-asides could affect the battle if played in battle.  (Think of all the set asides from the Unlimited and Prophets expansions.)  They never get used because they just aren't as good as using other cards.

Quote from: Reth on March 14, 2017, 05:06:49 PM

So could Chemosh set aside one opponents EC when played during battle? And does this part of its ability count as duration: "Evil character decreases 0/1 each turn until Evil character is discarded."

That card most likely does not have a duration. Duration is how long the card defines when characters come back. (Like Nebu's Pride saying Set-Aside for 4 turns, or Provisions being for 2 turns.)

See Samaritan Water Jar.  It doesn't specify a certain number of turns, but it has a duration.

The question is, does the ability "Set Evil Character aside. Evil Character decreases 0/1 each turn until discarded." imply a duration of "until Evil Character is discarded"?  I'm thinking it would, but an Elder would be needed to confirm.

Quote from: megamanlan on March 15, 2017, 10:25:35 AM

My understanding of Set-Aside is that it can NEVER set-aside your Opponent's cards unless the card says it can. Otherwise, Set-Aside's default to your characters. The rules may have changed though, but that is why you don't see people playing Set-Aside's in battle, except for battle-winners. (Besides that most Set-Asides won't affect the battle.)

If that is your understanding, then you need to read the REG entry, because it contradicts your understanding.

And many set-asides could affect the battle if played in battle.  (Think of all the set asides from the Unlimited and Prophets expansions.)  They never get used because they just aren't as good as using other cards.

Quote from: megamanlan on March 15, 2017, 10:25:35 AM

Quote from: Reth on March 14, 2017, 05:06:49 PM

So could Chemosh set aside one opponents EC when played during battle? And does this part of its ability count as duration: "Evil character decreases 0/1 each turn until Evil character is discarded."

That card most likely does not have a duration. Duration is how long the card defines when characters come back. (Like Nebu's Pride saying Set-Aside for 4 turns, or Provisions being for 2 turns.)

See Samaritan Water Jar.  It doesn't specify a certain number of turns, but it has a duration.

The question is, does the ability "Set Evil Character aside. Evil Character decreases 0/1 each turn until discarded." imply a duration of "until Evil Character is discarded"?  I'm thinking it would, but an Elder would be needed to confirm.

Duration is not just based on turns, but it would be defined as when a card says "Set aside for X turns" or "Set-Aside until _____" is the duration. What is after that is an effect that is applied. Most older Enhancements don't have a duration at all. (Sleep, etc) so they can be brought back whenever. I believe Warriors is when they started to introduce Duration onto Set-Aside cards (But I haven't looked at all of them in a long time so it might be in AW or Kings)

I believe Warriors is when they started to introduce Duration onto Set-Aside cards (But I haven't looked at all of them in a long time so it might be in AW or Kings)

Durations for set asides have been around since Limited (Chastisement of the Lord).

For Samaritarian Water Jar - at least it defines an end condition (but no duration): So can owner return his cards before end condition is fulfilled cause it is no real duration?

SWJ specifies when the cards return--when the player's deck is empty (though trust me, I'd gladly accept a rule change that allowed me to return characters set aside by SWJ whenever I wanted).