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All Hope Lost
« on: May 30, 2016, 12:43:31 PM »
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We know what we think it means, but here's what the card actually says:

"If Hero(s) [lol wut] in battle returns [lol wut?] to territory without making a successful rescue, Hero(s) may not enter battle until healed."

We all kind of see and assume there's an implied "those" before the second grammatical abortion of Heroes, but it's just not actually there. A potential argument could be made that the atrocious grammar is meant to indicate that the second "Hero(s)" is linked to the first "Hero(s)," but I think that's a stretch. As far as I can tell, what this card actually does is paralyze all Heroes in play if its conditions are met.

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« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 05:23:06 PM by The Guardian »
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

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Re: All Hope Lost
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2016, 01:12:45 PM »
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We know what we think it means, but here's what the card actually says:

"If Hero(s) [lol wut] in battle returns [lol wut? did an ESL speaker do the grammar for sets prior to Kings?] to territory without making a successful rescue, Hero(s) may not enter battle until healed."

We all kind of see and assume there's an implied "those" before the second grammatical abortion of Heroes, but it's just not actually there. A potential argument could be made that the atrocious grammar is meant to indicate that the second "Hero(s)" is linked to the first "Hero(s)," but I think that's a stretch. As far as I can tell, what this card actually does is paralyze all Heroes in play if its conditions are met.

Yes, it would appear so! Wow! This is actually a really powerful card!
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Re: All Hope Lost
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 01:37:59 PM »
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ahahahahahha

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Re: All Hope Lost
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2016, 12:41:04 PM »
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I can see that no Elders are touching this question, probably because they have more common sense than me   :o

Regardless of the missing "Those", there is no doubt that both instances of "Hero(s)" are referring to the same heroes.  An ability that paralyzes all heroes in play, even from Patriarchs, would never use "Hero(s)" to refer to all heroes; it would just say "heroes".

I did a quick count, and there are 22 cards from Patriarchs that contain the word "heroes" in the special ability.  Many of these refer to all heroes in play, like Covenant of Palestine.  There is only 1 card (other than All Hope Lost) from Patriarchs that uses the exact phrase "Hero(s)":

Passover - "Set aside one or more of your Heroes.  Hero(s) is immune to negative effect while set-aside.  Discard Passover when Hero(s) returns to play."

Passover is a telling card, since it actually uses "heroes" earlier in the special ability before it uses "hero(s)".  And in both instances of "hero(s)", it is clearly referring to the heroes that were referenced earlier in the ability - i.e., those that were set aside.

TL;DR:  All Hope Lost's second instance of the phrase "Hero(s)" is clearly referring to the heroes referenced earlier in the ability, not all heroes in play.
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Re: All Hope Lost
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2016, 01:11:46 PM »
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Well said, couldn't have explained it better.
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Re: All Hope Lost
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2016, 07:19:39 PM »
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So the bad grammar was signposting. Shame.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

 


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