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It's just like playing provisions in battle to set aside a hero in territory or wheel within a wheel in battle to find an angel and place them in territory. Moses doesn't retroactively prevent wheel when it finishes in territory, but was played from battle where it was not prevented to begin with

It's just like playing provisions in battle to set aside a hero in territory or wheel within a wheel in battle to find an angel and place them in territory. Moses doesn't retroactively prevent wheel when it finishes in territory, but was played from battle where it was not prevented to begin with

I get it but it is obviously a very confusing ability.

correct because he is coming in after they were played to negate the enhancements in play along with preventing further enhancements which have yet to be played in battle

I still don't understand why Moses, if he was in territory, would still not prevent the placement of Joy or any other enh that was played in battle when that enh is being placed in territory.

The key is understanding what Moses' Prevent ability does.  Prevent abilities stop special abilities from activating before they have activated.  Prevents can't do anything to abilities that have already activated.

So when Joy is played in battle, it fully activates the instant it is played.  If you place Joy on Moses or any other hero in territory, Moses doesn't Prevent it because Joy isn't trying to activate; it's already activated, and is simply carrying out its ability.

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Quote from: Watchman492 on March 11, 2017, 01:30:49 PM

I still don't understand why Moses, if he was in territory, would still not prevent the placement of Joy or any other enh that was played in battle when that enh is being placed in territory.

The key is understanding what Moses' Prevent ability does.  Prevent abilities stop special abilities from activating before they have activated.  Prevents can't do anything to abilities that have already activated.

So when Joy is played in battle, it fully activates the instant it is played.  If you place Joy on Moses or any other hero in territory, Moses doesn't Prevent it because Joy isn't trying to activate; it's already activated, and is simply carrying out its ability.

After thinking about it I understand how it does work. In my mind I kept thinking the placement part of the ability was being done in territory (even though it was activated in battle), thus Moses' negation of it. But when I realized the placement was an action during battle then it made sense to me how it can be placed in territory without being prevented. I know this was essentially said throughout the thread, I just didn't really get it until I realized the ability activated as a battle action and is then placed in territory. Thanks for y'all's patience and direction!