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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: browarod on June 30, 2011, 09:30:54 AM
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I was writing up the part on instead for my Cheat Sheet, and I began to wonder something that I couldn't figure out.
Do instead abilities physically change the special ability of the card they instead, or is it still considered a separate ability? For example, does Herod's Temple physically reword Christian Martyr to "Opponent must discard a card from hand matching the brigade of target hero they own and control in play and must discard the top X cards of deck" or does Christian Martyr's ability remain unchanged and Herod's Temple insert itself in place of CM?
Implications of this include protections/prevents like Jerusalem Tower, etc. If it physically changed CM, then CM would be making the opponent discard from their hand/deck which several cards don't allow, so then would that player be unable to use HT's instead?
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Do instead abilities physically change the special ability of the card they instead, or is it still considered a separate ability?
I don't know that we've really talked about this at the metaphysical level :) However, I think that "instead" is still considered a separate ability.
Implications of this include protections/prevents like Jerusalem Tower, etc. If it physically changed CM, then CM would be making the opponent discard from their hand/deck which several cards don't allow, so then would that player be unable to use HT's instead?
I would rule that if you had J-Tower in your territory, that it would NOT prevent you from using Herod's Temple.
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They should still be treated as separate, because here is how "instead" is used:
- assume ability says, "if A, then B instead"
- if you are protected from A then B does not happen to you either
- if you are protected from B, the ability defaults back to A
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I agree with Prof and Schaef. Instead does not change the wording on the cards whose ability is insteaded. MY Herod's Temple is what allows me to discard the top X cards of my deck. My opponent isn't doing the discard from deck. I am, because it is my Herod's Temple.
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I agree with the Global Moderators and the Administrator. Just in case you weren't still sure about these high ranking people on the boards' opinions. ;)
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Thanks everyone, that's exactly what I was looking for. ^_^