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1. Just a Hireling: Discard your Sadducee or Pharisee to shuffle up to three Lost Souls into deck.

Do you have to play this on a Sadducee or Pharisee and discard that Sadducee or Pharisee to use this?

2. 30 pieces of silver: Regardless of battle outcome, discard one Hero in play at the end of battle that you blocked. Negate David's Harp. May be used once per battle and twice per game.

If you activate it, does that count as one of the "twice per game" even if you don't discard a hero?

3.  Household Idols: Errata/Play As: Banding of Heroes is prevented. Good banding cards are ignored.

I asked this a month or so ago but don't remember getting a clear answer.  What happens if you start a RA with a hero with a banding ability from hand?  Do you get infinite initiative once a EC blocks?  if an EC doesn't block to get ret to rescue a LS?

Quote from: Kevinthedude on July 05, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on July 05, 2017, 10:19:42 AM

1. Just a Hireling: Discard your Sadducee or Pharisee to shuffle up to three Lost Souls into deck.

Do you have to play this on a Sadducee or Pharisee and discard that Sadducee or Pharisee to use this?

2. 30 pieces of silver: Regardless of battle outcome, discard one Hero in play at the end of battle that you blocked. Negate David's Harp. May be used once per battle and twice per game.

If you activate it, does that count as one of the "twice per game" even if you don't discard a hero?

3.  Household Idols: Errata/Play As: Banding of Heroes is prevented. Good banding cards are ignored.

I asked this a month or so ago but don't remember getting a clear answer.  What happens if you start a RA with a hero with a banding ability from hand?  Do you get infinite initiative once a EC blocks?  if an EC doesn't block to get ret to rescue a LS?

1. Play on, no. You just have to have ownership and control of one to discard for the effect to work.

2. I would think the uses count when you actually discard a Hero with it, so it would be used up after discarding two Heroes.

3. If you attack from hand you would be ignored by the artifact and would practically have infinite initiative. If no EC blocks you don't get the soul because you are still ignored.

2. May be used twice per game means it may be activated twice, then it is discarded when it deactivates.

Quote from: Kevinthedude on July 06, 2017, 10:50:55 AM

Quote from: Ivek on July 06, 2017, 10:41:13 AM

Quote from: Kevinthedude on July 05, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on July 05, 2017, 10:19:42 AM

1. Just a Hireling: Discard your Sadducee or Pharisee to shuffle up to three Lost Souls into deck.

Do you have to play this on a Sadducee or Pharisee and discard that Sadducee or Pharisee to use this?

2. 30 pieces of silver: Regardless of battle outcome, discard one Hero in play at the end of battle that you blocked. Negate David's Harp. May be used once per battle and twice per game.

If you activate it, does that count as one of the "twice per game" even if you don't discard a hero?

3.  Household Idols: Errata/Play As: Banding of Heroes is prevented. Good banding cards are ignored.

I asked this a month or so ago but don't remember getting a clear answer.  What happens if you start a RA with a hero with a banding ability from hand?  Do you get infinite initiative once a EC blocks?  if an EC doesn't block to get ret to rescue a LS?

1. Play on, no. You just have to have ownership and control of one to discard for the effect to work.

2. I would think the uses count when you actually discard a Hero with it, so it would be used up after discarding two Heroes.

3. If you attack from hand you would be ignored by the artifact and would practically have infinite initiative. If no EC blocks you don't get the soul because you are still ignored.

2. May be used twice per game means it may be activated twice, then it is discarded when it deactivates.

Ark of the Covenant is limited by discards not activations and since Ark and Pieces of Silver do the same thing (Except that one targets ECs and one targets Heroes) I would think they work the same way.

But Ark of the Covenant and 30 Pieces of Silver are worded very differently, the fact that superficially they both have a similar result doesn't mean that they should work the same way. Especially since 30 Pieces of Silver is obviously an ongoing limited use ability while Ark of the Covenant is limited by discards.

From reading the cards I would conclude that Ark of the Covenant would actually have to discard 2 evil characters to reach it's use limit, but 30 Pieces of Silver would be able to discard as many heroes at possible (once per battle) for up to two rounds.