Author Topic: Changes to T2 Deck Building Rules (Read 6037 times)

Gabe · « **on:** August 15, 2011, 12:01:21 AM »

Starting in the 2011-2012 tournament season T2 deck building rules have been modified as follows:

2 color cards have increased from 1 per deck to 2 per deck. This includes the new good/evil cards from the 2011 tins.

~~Characters and Enhancements~~ Single brigade cards have been decreased from 5 per deck to 4 per deck. This includes Characters, Enhancements and Sites.

Please visit this post to see all the changes and clarifications for the 2011-2012 tournament season.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:11:10 AM »

Is the 4 instead of 5 a planned rule going forward before I add nearly a copy of everything to my stock for sale, or is this a trial rule?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:13:46 AM »

All new rulings that Gabe is announcing tonight are planned to be the rules going forward. There are a few more minor discussions going on that will be posted in the next week or two as well. But I think its safe to say that you can go ahead and add that copy to your stock - Most of the Elders think that decreasing the potency of T2 by 20% will really help on those cards that are considered to be close to broken.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:14:04 AM »

Are no SA sites still limited to 5 per deck?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:16:18 AM »

I believe so yes. I was under the impression that we were decreasing them to 4 as well. But perhaps it was just characters and enhancements as Gabe posted, I'll have to re-read the discussion.

Gabe · « **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:29:45 AM »

Nothing was discussed about changing the limit for no SA Sites in T2.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #6 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:31:39 AM »

Wonderful, I like that

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #7 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:36:05 AM »

So, can we get a new list of all the card limits in T2 for clarification?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2011, 02:40:52 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 15, 2011, 12:36:05 AM

So, can we get a new list of all the card limits in T2 for clarification?

Sure:

Dominants, Multicolor (3+ brigade) Characters, and enhancements: 1 per deck
Lost Souls/Sites with SA's: 1 per 50
Dual-Color Characters/Enhancements/Covenants/Curses: 2 per deck
Artifacts, Fortresses, Single color Covenants/Curses: 3 per deck
Single color Characters and Enhancements: 4 per deck
Lost Souls/Sites with no SA's: 5 per deck.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2011, 10:58:05 PM »

How do identical names work for deck building purposes. Can I have joseph before pharoah 4x blue and 4x white in one type 2 deck?

Gabe · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2011, 11:03:23 PM »

They are not the same brigade and they don't have the same art. The only thing in common is the name. That means you can have both.

spicynumber1 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2011, 12:15:07 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 15, 2011, 02:40:52 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 15, 2011, 12:36:05 AM
So, can we get a new list of all the card limits in T2 for clarification?

Sure:

Dominants, Multicolor (3+ brigade) Characters, and enhancements: 1 per deck
Lost Souls/Sites with SA's: 1 per 50
Dual-Color Characters/Enhancements/Covenants/Curses: 2 per deck
Artifacts, Fortresses, Single color Covenants/Curses: 3 per deck
Single color Characters and Enhancements: 4 per deck
Lost Souls/Sites with no SA's: 5 per deck.

Would you please also make a list like this for type 1 (even though there are no changes)?
This is really helpful for some of the newer players in our playgroup.

lightningninja · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2011, 12:16:01 AM »

This could make it slightly easier to play type II at tournaments. =)

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:03:55 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 15, 2011, 02:40:52 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 15, 2011, 12:36:05 AM
So, can we get a new list of all the card limits in T2 for clarification?

Sure:

Dominants, Multicolor (3+ brigade) Characters, and enhancements: 1 per deck
Lost Souls/Sites with SA's: 1 per 50
Dual-Color Characters/Enhancements/Covenants/Curses: 2 per deck
Artifacts, Fortresses, Single color Covenants/Curses: 3 per deck
Single color Characters and Enhancements: 4 per deck
Lost Souls/Sites with no SA's: 5 per deck.

Could I petition to have the last of these rules (no-SA Sites and Souls) either eliminated (any number up to the max) or made to follow the Characters and Enhancements limit? I ask because that limit has always seemed rather silly to me, and changing it in either way I suggest would eliminate having the changes to characters/enhancements end up creating a new category limit. Simplification is a good thing.

It is not like non-SA sites and souls were intentionally limited in the past. They just kinda fell into the "No more than five of everything else." I never realized until this post that non-SA lost souls were subject to the five per deck rule, and I know I am not alone in this. (For and year and a half I played a site deck with 14 of the same non-SA site without it failing deck check in.) Seriously, did any of the elders/playtesters even think of non-SA sites/souls prior to RedemptionAggie asking the question?

If anyone need me to do it, I can look through to sse if an unlimited change would break anything. The only possibility that comes to mind immediately is Egypt with Building Egypt.

Gabe · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2011, 09:45:02 AM »

Gates of Samaria + Samaria. Nuff said?

STAMP · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2011, 11:30:20 AM »

We're probably going to need to pay our deck-checkers going forward.

I know I'll be requesting players to organize their decks for check-in differently than previous years. It will be a lot easier if they are sorted in the same order ProfA lists them with their limits.

Josh · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2011, 12:15:10 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on August 17, 2011, 09:45:02 AM

Gates of Samaria + Samaria. Nuff said?

A 50 card T1 deck can have 7 Samaria sites. A T2 deck (if allowed) could have 14+ Samaria sites in a 100+ card deck. Same ratios, but one is legal and one is not.

STAMP · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2011, 12:26:12 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on August 17, 2011, 12:15:10 PM

Quote from: Gabe on August 17, 2011, 09:45:02 AM
Gates of Samaria + Samaria. Nuff said?

A 50 card T1 deck can have 7 Samaria sites. A T2 deck (if allowed) could have 14+ Samaria sites in a 100+ card deck. Same ratios, but one is legal and one is not.

Actually, because of all the *special* erratas that have been doled out due to brokenness in T2 that inadvertently impacted T1 players, I'm not all that opposed to taking one in the shorts for this one.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:11:57 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on August 17, 2011, 09:45:02 AM

Gates of Samaria + Samaria. Nuff said?

Oh, ok. As long as all of this was well discussed ahead of time (as opposed to everyone in the know completely forgetting about non-SA sites and souls until Aggie asked about it).

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2011, 09:18:19 PM »

Is there a similar combination of cards that necessitate the rule being there for no-SA LSs?

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2011, 09:33:51 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on August 17, 2011, 12:15:10 PM

Quote from: Gabe on August 17, 2011, 09:45:02 AM
Gates of Samaria + Samaria. Nuff said?

A 50 card T1 deck can have 7 Samaria sites. A T2 deck (if allowed) could have 14+ Samaria sites in a 100+ card deck. Same ratios, but one is legal and one is not.

My 154 card Type 1 deck can have 21 Samaria sites.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2011, 10:19:55 PM »

Quote from: Ken4Christ4ever on August 17, 2011, 09:33:51 PM

Quote from: jmhartz on August 17, 2011, 12:15:10 PM
Quote from: Gabe on August 17, 2011, 09:45:02 AM
Gates of Samaria + Samaria. Nuff said?

A 50 card T1 deck can have 7 Samaria sites. A T2 deck (if allowed) could have 14+ Samaria sites in a 100+ card deck. Same ratios, but one is legal and one is not.

My 154 card Type 1 deck can have 21 Samaria sites.

That means you can increase your evil King of Israel by 126/126.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2011, 11:23:27 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on August 17, 2011, 10:19:55 PM

That means you can increase your evil King of Israel by 126/126.

My Strong Angel is way scared at the thought of that.

Kirk

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #23 on:** August 18, 2011, 01:56:06 AM »

JMHartz do you play Type 2 competitively? Babylonian Banquet Hall/Babylon's, let alone Threatened Lives. gabe already hit Gates of Samaria/Samaria's. Nothing wrong with 5 max per no SA site. If anything I would go down to 4 and remake Samaria/Babylon site with a different brigade/artwork so 8 could go in a deck. But I can see the reasoning behind 4 of each no SA site (and lost soul) due to consistency.

Josh · « **Reply #24 on:** August 18, 2011, 08:04:38 AM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on August 18, 2011, 01:56:06 AM

JMHartz do you play Type 2 competitively? Babylonian Banquet Hall/Babylon's, let alone Threatened Lives. gabe already hit Gates of Samaria/Samaria's. Nothing wrong with 5 max per no SA site. If anything I would go down to 4 and remake Samaria/Babylon site with a different brigade/artwork so 8 could go in a deck. But I can see the reasoning behind 4 of each no SA site (and lost soul) due to consistency.

I really wasn't trying to give an opinion, I was just pointing out a fact. In a 100 card T1 deck you can have 2 BBH and 12 Babylons or 14 Samaria sites. In a T2 deck you can't. And I wasn't giving an opinion because I don't play T2, therefore I'm not qualified to.

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