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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Gabe on August 15, 2011, 12:36:09 AM
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Custom Heroes purchased at Boston Nationals in 2010 are no longer tournament legal.
Please visit this post (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-official-rules/rule-changesclarifications-for-2011-2012-tournament-season/msg434385/#new) to see all the changes and clarifications for the 2011-2012 tournament season.
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I have to ask, what's the reasoning behind this?
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Because John Earley is too op.
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Because John Earley is too op.
I don't think being in the 2nd place deck qualifies as OP, but yeah, Alex Olijar is pretty OP too.
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Because John Earley is too op.
Abusing your power both on the forums and in tournaments eh? Tisk Tisk.
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I imagine this will probably be done ever year to keep the game from being over saturated with custom heroes. If 70% of the people at nats got one then we would have added more cards to the game from custom heroes then the new set
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I'm pretty darn sure there were not custom heroes available this Nats. I think i would have heard about that.
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I imagine this will probably be done ever year to keep the game from being over saturated with custom heroes. If 70% of the people at nats got one then we would have added more cards to the game from custom heroes then the new set
You couldn't get one this year. It was probably originally done just to do something special for the 15th anniversary of the game, and now it's over.
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I wasn't aware you couldn't get one this year, but that in itself is enough of a reason to phase them out. Punishing other players for missing that one year of nats is a little harsh
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I wasn't aware you couldn't get one this year, but that in itself is enough of a reason to phase them out. Punishing other players for missing that one year of nats is a little harsh
And, to be fair, none of the heroes are that great anyway.
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I like how we ban the cards that hardly effect the meta, but TGT, Mayhem, and NJ remain untouched.
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*Whine, complain, blame* Yay, now rich players can only lord it over me outside of tournaments!
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I like how we ban the cards that hardly effect the meta, but TGT, Mayhem, and NJ remain untouched.
These cards are still available to everyone though. The custom heroes are so limited that its not fair to players who didnt go to boston nats to not have them available. They aren't like any other card in the game
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Actually, the only difference between my custom and Ethan is that Ethan can recur more enhancements, but I am NT.
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Well, and you get slightly better inish, and you put those GE's below deck instead of hand.
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I like how we ban the cards that hardly effect the meta, but TGT, Mayhem, and NJ remain untouched.
QFT.
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These cards are still available to everyone though. The custom heroes are so limited that its not fair to players who didnt go to boston nats to not have them available.
Not fair? Not only did these players play to go, but the cards themselves cost money to make. Don't quote me, but I think they were 50 a pop? It was a limited anniversary promo, now it's over.
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These cards are still available to everyone though. The custom heroes are so limited that its not fair to players who didnt go to boston nats to not have them available.
Not fair? Not only did these players play to go, but the cards themselves cost money to make. Don't quote me, but I think they were 50 a pop? It was a limited anniversary promo, now it's over.
They were $20 or $25, It isn't even about the promo, I'm more curious as to why it happened now after having no banned cards for so long.
Also, why cards were banned that hardly matter in terms of game play.
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These cards are still available to everyone though. The custom heroes are so limited that its not fair to players who didnt go to boston nats to not have them available.
Not fair? Not only did these players play to go, but the cards themselves cost money to make. Don't quote me, but I think they were 50 a pop? It was a limited anniversary promo, now it's over.
They were $20 or $25, It isn't even about the promo, I'm more curious as to why it happened now after having no banned cards for so long.
Also, why cards were banned that hardly matter in terms of game play.
They were $25, according to John M.
They weren't actively banned, they were passively banned (According to Rob Anderson, players who purchased them were informed they'd only be good for one season anyway).
I'm not sure if it was for the 15th anniversary AND that John M. was pushing for them so hard or just that John M. was pushing for them so hard.
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ArmedKevin makes a very important, noteworthy point. The players purchasing them were warned. I paid for 2 knowing full well I may not use them after one year. It was still fun to say and enjoy the double meaning of, "Jonathan Greeson going in for the win!" I think most people got a kick out of it too (I would say it super-loudly).
One small positive is that it cuts down on confusion. We had a bit of a stir at NE Regionals because one player had never heard of them and was not happy about them. Players who didn't know about them were confused and felt slightly cheated. Banning them fixed this issue.
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ArmedKevin makes a very important, noteworthy point. The players purchasing them were warned. I paid for 2 knowing full well I may not use them after one year. It was still fun to say and enjoy the double meaning of, "Jonathan Greeson going in for the win!" I think most people got a kick out of it too (I would say it super-loudly).
One small positive is that it cuts down on confusion. We had a bit of a stir at NE Regionals because one player had never heard of them and was not happy about them. Players who didn't know about them were confused and felt slightly cheated. Banning them fixed this issue.
It does take away the satisfaction of using Christian Martyr on Jonathan Greeson though. I always found that fun
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ArmedKevin makes a very important, noteworthy point. The players purchasing them were warned. I paid for 2 knowing full well I may not use them after one year. It was still fun to say and enjoy the double meaning of, "Jonathan Greeson going in for the win!" I think most people got a kick out of it too (I would say it super-loudly).
One small positive is that it cuts down on confusion. We had a bit of a stir at NE Regionals because one player had never heard of them and was not happy about them. Players who didn't know about them were confused and felt slightly cheated. Banning them fixed this issue.
I don't remember warnings, but I also have a bad memory, so I'll accept that.
It's OK to feel cheated when your opponent is on the playing field, but it isn't when you lose because of an overpowered card?
If we're banning things to make people feel better then I don't see why not hit the OP stuff.
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ArmedKevin makes a very important, noteworthy point. The players purchasing them were warned. I paid for 2 knowing full well I may not use them after one year. It was still fun to say and enjoy the double meaning of, "Jonathan Greeson going in for the win!" I think most people got a kick out of it too (I would say it super-loudly).
One small positive is that it cuts down on confusion. We had a bit of a stir at NE Regionals because one player had never heard of them and was not happy about them. Players who didn't know about them were confused and felt slightly cheated. Banning them fixed this issue.
I don't remember warnings, but I also have a bad memory, so I'll accept that.
It's OK to feel cheated when your opponent is on the playing field, but it isn't when you lose because of an overpowered card?
If we're banning things to make people feel better then I don't see why not hit the OP stuff.
To be fair to your second thought, a little later in the game after my opponent accepted the fact that Jonathan Greeson was awesome....she was introduced to Thad. It took 3 times longer for her to understand how potent he was! Even then, I don't think she really accepted what was going on as Thad walked in for the final 3 lost souls.
For those keeping a record, yes she was introduced to Jonathan Greeson and Thaddeus for the first time in the same game! :o
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I would like my $25 back because I was never told about them being banned especially seeing as my card totally breaks the game to no end. ::)
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Read the bottom, bold statement on the 2nd post here (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/official-tournaments/new-this-year/). That or similar verbage was also posted on John M's website where people could place their custom Hero order. Rob only guaranteed their legality for one season.
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Gabe hit it on the head. Not only was there forewarning but you could purchase them either way.
If we're banning things to make people feel better then I don't see why not hit the OP stuff.
They technically did not get banned, and especially not for any reason to be OP. It was a great way to get people excited to make their own card, and an incentive to come to Boston as you could get your card made right then and there, and then people would share there card to other players. The OP stuff has been hit. TGT took a big hit, dominants in general took a hit, what is left that is "OP" that has not been countered? Instead of complaining about the strategies that are too strong, build a deck that targets them, or at least wait till this season to see if they are still as heavily played.
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I have to say i'm a little disappointed that i can't use my custom hero anymore because it was so fun whenever anyone did stuff to me (like removing me from the game and me getting up and leaving the table) but i figured this would be the decision when i first got it. it was fun and awesome to be tourney legal for the year ^_^
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Read the bottom, bold statement on the 2nd post here (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/official-tournaments/new-this-year/). That or similar verbage was also posted on John M's website where people could place their custom Hero order. Rob only guaranteed their legality for one season.
Would be cool if the reasoning behind the ban was posted in the OP instead of just "They're illegal".
What I'm assuming from that post is that Rob wanted them out for this season since they weren't available at Nats this year, is that correct?
Gabe hit it on the head. Not only was there forewarning but you could purchase them either way.
If we're banning things to make people feel better then I don't see why not hit the OP stuff.
They technically did not get banned, and especially not for any reason to be OP. It was a great way to get people excited to make their own card, and an incentive to come to Boston as you could get your card made right then and there, and then people would share there card to other players. The OP stuff has been hit. TGT took a big hit, dominants in general took a hit, what is left that is "OP" that has not been countered? Instead of complaining about the strategies that are too strong, build a deck that targets them, or at least wait till this season to see if they are still as heavily played.
... Not sure what your definition of ban is but "not tournament legal" is mine.
To reiterate, I'm not concerned about the promos, I'd like the reasoning behind the ban since Rob (who I'm assuming is the deciding factor for these kinds of things) has decided to ban cards after wanting no banned cards for so long.
To answer your other question: Why is TGT still winning nats if it has taken such big hits?
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ArmedKevin makes a very important, noteworthy point. The players purchasing them were warned. I paid for 2 knowing full well I may not use them after one year. It was still fun to say and enjoy the double meaning of, "Jonathan Greeson going in for the win!" I think most people got a kick out of it too (I would say it super-loudly).
One small positive is that it cuts down on confusion. We had a bit of a stir at NE Regionals because one player had never heard of them and was not happy about them. Players who didn't know about them were confused and felt slightly cheated. Banning them fixed this issue.
It does take away the satisfaction of using Christian Martyr on Jonathan Greeson though. I always found that fun
If you want to kill your friends, play Halo.
Or just play Redemption for fun outside of tournaments. That works too.
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... Not sure what your definition of ban is but "not tournament legal" is mine.
Banned is something being removed from the game because it is broken/abused. These cards were a limited time deal, with previous warning of a 1 year season. That is not a ban. That is a length of the cards life.
To answer your other question: Why is TGT still winning nats if it has taken such big hits?
Here is what I said in my last post:
or at least wait till this season to see if they are still as heavily played.
I said at the beginning of this year TGT/disciples would win. I was 100% right. Disciples won in T2, TGT in T1 (with a red splash). I can almost guarantee that TGT will not win, or even rank in any 2 player category this year at nats. If you have seen the new set then I do not think you would be saying what you are.
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... Not sure what your definition of ban is but "not tournament legal" is mine.
Banned is something being removed from the game because it is broken/abused. These cards were a limited time deal, with previous warning of a 1 year season. That is not a ban. That is a length of the cards life.
To answer your other question: Why is TGT still winning nats if it has taken such big hits?
Here is what I said in my last post:
or at least wait till this season to see if they are still as heavily played.
I said at the beginning of this year TGT/disciples would win. I was 100% right. Disciples won in T2, TGT in T1 (with a red splash). I can almost guarantee that TGT will not win, or even rank in any 2 player category this year at nats. If you have seen the new set then I do not think you would be saying what you are.
TGT gonna win FOREVER.
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TGT's still viable. It's just that everything else is even more viable.
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TGT's still viable. It's just that everything else is even more viable.
NT Blue.
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Nicolas of Antioch FTW! Search for a convert? OP'd!