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Chamber of Angels
« on: December 28, 2011, 10:57:34 PM »
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If my opponent d/c the top card of my deck and it is an angel does it go to chamber?

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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 11:06:45 PM »
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Yes.  Triggered abilities do not have the "in play" designation.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 01:51:00 AM »
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Actually I was reading a discussion on this (I can try to find it later) that notes while in ur Deck Characters don't 'Officially' have Identifiers. Basically the ruling is Angels don't go to Chamber if Discarded from the Deck.

This is to stop the Chamber/Gates Combo that was kindof crazy.
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2011, 07:55:19 AM »
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If characters don't have identifiers in deck then the new Wheel Within a Wheel's search (in deck) doesn't work and is useless.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2011, 07:58:04 AM »
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Interesting.  Additionally, if "no identifier while in deck" is true, identifier would be active at the moment the card left the deck, by whatever means, in order to fulfill effects such as "if that card is a (ls, angel, demon, etc.)"

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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2011, 09:05:22 AM »
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I agree with browarod that identifiers must work in deck for search/exchange abilities. The only exception (by definition) would be cards like curses/covenants that are only curse/covenant in deck, not enhancement or artifact.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2011, 11:39:39 AM »
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Just as a confirmation, angels from deck (and presumably hand, set-aside, wherever) do go to the Chamber when discarded.

Professoralstad confirms that here: http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/gates-of-hell-vs-chamber-of-angels/msg429896/#msg429896
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2011, 12:37:12 PM »
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You all have the right answer, but the wrong reason. It's not triggered abilities that don't default to "in-play," it's "instead" abilities. Chamber is treated as an instead ability (I forget if it's technically worded that way), and the ruling on "instead" abilities is that they target the ability they're insteading, not the card being insteaded. That's why a Job being Discarded from set-aside will still go to DnA; DnA is targeting whatever is Discarding Job, not Job himself.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2011, 01:04:53 PM »
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Okay thanks for your answers.

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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2011, 02:36:37 PM »
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Actually I was reading a discussion on this (I can try to find it later) that notes while in ur Deck Characters don't 'Officially' have Identifiers. Basically the ruling is Angels don't go to Chamber if Discarded from the Deck.

This is to stop the Chamber/Gates Combo that was kindof crazy.
The ruling for that is that you can't heal characters that were discarded with Gates.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 03:38:00 PM »
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On a side note what happens to whith duplicates and chamber?

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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2011, 04:08:19 PM »
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On a side note what happens to whith duplicates and chamber?
I think they're discarded, to avoid an infinite loop, but get a second opinion on this one.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 02:56:05 AM »
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Idk, All I know is that Angels can't hit Chamber from Deck. I should know since I believe I'm the only one who plays Angels properly. (No Human Clogs)
That is the ruling from my Tournament and the one I saw on here.
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 06:26:33 AM »
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Idk, All I know is that Angels can't hit Chamber from Deck. I should know since I believe I'm the only one who plays Angels properly. (No Human Clogs)
That is the ruling from my Tournament and the one I saw on here.

That is not the correct ruling.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2011, 12:20:41 PM »
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Idk, All I know is that Angels can't hit Chamber from Deck. I should know since I believe I'm the only one who plays Angels properly. (No Human Clogs)
That is the ruling from my Tournament and the one I saw on here.
If you're going to claim that you saw a different ruling on here, you should link to it.
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