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I make a RA with Thomas (Di).  My opponent blocks with Fallen Warrior.  They have initiative and play Bringing Fear, then Joseph in Prison.  Am I allowed to play any interrupt/negate (ex: Reach of Desperation or My Lord My God) that isn't already CBP since it gains CBN status on Thomas, or does it have to have CBP/CBN status before it's played?

Thomas (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 7 / 7 • Class: None • Special Ability: Enhancements used by Thomas cannot be negated. May band to Matthew. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple

Fallen Warrior (Ki)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Fallen Warrior gains the cumulative abilities (*/*) of each Hero he successfully blocks.

Bringing Fear (FF)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 3 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: If used by a Philistine, negate all special abilities on characters and good Enhancements. Cannot be negated.

Joseph in Prison (Pa)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Black • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and remove all cards in battle from the game.

Reach of Desperation (H)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 4 / 3 • Class: none • Special Ability: You may interrupt the battle, draw three cards, and play the next enhancement. • Play As: You may interrupt the battle, draw 3 and play an enhancement

My Lord and My God (Di)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: If used by a disciple, negate and discard an evil card in play or set-aside area.

*edit* fixed the example so it actually works 

Imagine the same scenario with Joseph in Prison after Bringing Fear on a Philistine then.

I see no difference between Balaam's SA and KoT's SA. Enhancements are being prevented in both cases, but since Thomas' SA makes his enhancements CBN'd, they work vs both regardless.

Hmm this is a good question. I would agree with the other that in the hypothetical balaam/ achans sin situation that would work.

However in the other it is a bit more tricky. I so no reason though why mlmg cannot hit joseph in prison and negate it. The enhancement cannot be prevented even by something that negates it cbn (just like tfg doesn't break up a cbn band). Mlmg could not negate bringing fear though it could only discard it.

EDIT I see what you are saying
I see what you are saying Gabe and that makes alot of sense. Since the enhancement is prevented from being played it cannot be played on thomas, I like it. If you cannot play the enhancement I don't think you should be able to get the benefit. The Kot situation is different because it does not stop you from playing enhancements, once one hits the table it CBN.

Baalam negates achan's sin so it would matter

Good catch Dwayne! I was about to post that :p.

I see no reason why he couldn't.  What's the big deal?

Quote from: SomeKittens on April 24, 2011, 12:50:43 PM

I see no reason why he couldn't.  What's the big deal?

Because it only gains CBN status when played on Thomas. It cannot be played on Thomas because he's being removed from the battle, and the interrupt cannot work because it's being prevented. You can't play something that's not an interrupt in this situation.

I was about to say it should be the other way, but now that I type it out, I'm siding with it needing to be CBN/CBP before being played.

i agree with ymt.

There is nothing preventing me from placing an interrupt card on the table.

That was my basic premise. There is nothing stopping me from playing Son of God when Altar of Ahaz is active, but whether the special ability of Son of God works is dependent on the interaction of all the cards in play.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 24, 2011, 01:19:25 PM

By preventing the SA of the card, it is not an interrupt, and it's not CBN until it's played by Thomas. Imagine it isn't Thomas. Can you play the interrupt? No. So why would you be able to play it on Thomas? It's not CBN until it's played by Thomas, so you shouldn't be able to because it's not an interrupt, since the interrupt is prevented.

If it were Ehud You would be able to play Ehuds dagger(gold version) and interrupt and discard JIP right? so you should be able to play any interrupt/negate card on Thomas.

I would say no, you would not, because it's not CBP/CBN until it's played, and it cannot be played because it doesn't interrupt. That's not the way it's looking like it'll be ruled though (and I'm not too surprised either).

The more I think about it and look at everyone's answers, I have a feeling the answer is, yes you can play an interrupt.  People never do  when it's being prevented/negated because it wouldn't help the situation.

Working on a situation where it would help...

Game rule says that only an interrupt card can be played. There is nothing preventing the playing of an interrupt card. I play an interrupt card. Whether that interrupt card actually does anything is dependent upon the interaction of all cards in play. In this case, the card's SA is not read until after it hits the table, at which point it is being used by Thomas.

Okay, here's the situation:
Sauce versus Wraith. T2.
Sauce has three lost souls in a Babylonian Banquet Hall, one being the speed bump. I have the */4 out.
Sauce rescues with Ehud, who has been set aside with Training in Righteousness and can play Red as well. He chooses Gomer (TexP), and I band to Nebuchadnezzar and search and play Dream followed by another Dream. I draw Son of God and New Jerusalem, and could win the game, but I have 13 cards in my hand and Speed Bump is out. I don't play another enhancement (thinking that I can make him waste one by playing Korah's Rebellion later), and Sauce plays The Battle is the Lord's and negates brown, (knowing that I have a Korah's Rebellion in my hand). He then plays Capturing Canaan to capture both of my characters.

With what you guys are saying, I can play Korah's Rebellion anyway, getting my hand down to 12 cards, then being able to play Son of God and New Jerusalem FTW. Otherwise, Sauce could play Threatened Lives (off of High Places), putting BBH to the bottom, preventing me from winning on my turn. He then draws FBTN soul and plays his Son of God New Jerusalem (responding to his own action) and wins the game. This could be important.