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Cards gain CBN or not when they are played, correct?

Follow-up, when are cards played? This is a very important question. Determining whether cards are played only when they leave hand, or if placing them in battle from territory, or every time their SA activates has a big impact on a few things I'm wanting to try.

Add to that "or enters battle," otherwise a Hero with an SA would be played when attacking, but not a no-SA Hero.

Massive rule change. This needs to be announced in a more public way than as a reply.

Hey,

Cannot be Negated status can be dynamic, so it can be gained and/or lost after the card is initially played.  Cannot be Negated status is not retroactive, so losing or gaining CBN status does not change how the card was affected by a prevent or negate card already played.  Trap of the Devil is actually CBP but it was the guinea pig on the issue, so the precedent on the issue would relate to it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

This is news to me, unless I'm not understanding you properly.  A card either is, or is not, CBN when the ability it active.  If something grants CBN status later, it does not retroactively apply.  Is that what you're saying or am I missing something?

Hey,

You attack me with Elhanan.  I block with Ahab and play Scorn of Michal to band in Korah.  Attacker then has initiative and plays Blessings.  Does Blessings negate Scorn of Michal?  When Scorn of Michal is played it does not have CBN status.  After Korah's ability activates Scorn of Michal does have CBN status.  Since Blessings happens after Korah's ability activated, Scorn of Michal isn't negated.

Alternatively,

You attack me with Elhanan.  I block with Ahab and play Scorn of Michal to band in Beast from the Earth.  Attacker then plays Blessings.  Defender uses Unknown Nation to add Korah to battle.  Does Blessings negate Scorn of Michal?  When Scorn of Michal is played it does not have CBN status.  Blessings then negates it.  Korah then activates and gives Scorn of Michal CBN status.  That status does not apply retroactively, so while Scorn of Michael cannot be negated from here on, the fact that Blessings already negated it doesn't change.  If Stiff-Necked were then played to negate Blessings, Scorn of Michal would be reactivated, and would then be CBN for the rest of battle.

That's the way I see it.  What parts do you disagree with me on?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Prof explains it the way I understand it also.  I got that impression from this portion of the REG:

If a card does not have “cannot be negated” status when it is played, then it cannot gain it later.

I agree with that. 

Prof Underwood's example is dealing with conditions for whether a card will be CBN, changing during battle. 

So if I have Asherah Pole active and block Thomas with Korah then my enhancements are not CBN except for banding so I play Lurking to band in Zimri and discard.  My opponent plays Reach and a banding card to bring in Moses to negate Zimri but not the enhancements since those were CBN.  I can now play Korah's Rebellion since the condition for it to be CBN is now met.  So whether you meet the conditions is dynamic but the individual abilities are set to be CBN or not when played.