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So if its an instead ability then how does it work with I am Holy since the cost isn't being paid?

I Am Holy (AW)
Type: Covenant • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 5 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: Upon activation, holder may discard a good card from hand to make an opponent discard an evil card from hand. If opponent has no evil cards in hand, opponent must reveal hand. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Leviticus 19:2

The cost IS being paid, but if you discard an Angel with Chamber up, the Angel ends up in Chamber instead of the discard pile.

so cov. w/ eden and Suicidal Swine Stampede work too? same thing right?

I believe so. But I'm no elder.

so on this same premise, if a card states:

"If opponent redeems a soul, you may _______." would still activate if you have Judas' Plot active and place thier SoG on bottom of deck (assuming no NJ was played)?

Yes. That's why there is the big controversy on what happens when SoG and NJ are played together.

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 26, 2010, 04:29:48 PM

So if its an instead ability then how does it work with I am Holy since the cost isn't being paid?

Sir Nobody made a comment about the cost not being paid, and I am not aware that any other Elder overruled him. Of course, the other Elders may not have seen that comment, or may have had no opinion.

We have, but the issue of 'instead' abilities was being discussed, but hasn't been for awhile. It will probably take a decision by Rob for it to be resolved. Hopefully it can be addressed soon.

so as of now-
IaH + Chamber still work? and/also
Cov. w/ Eden + Suicidal Swine Stampede?

Hey,

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 26, 2010, 04:29:48 PM

So if its an instead ability then how does it work with I am Holy since the cost isn't being paid?

Sir Nobody made a comment about the cost not being paid, and I am not aware that any other Elder overruled him. Of course, the other Elders may not have seen that comment, or may have had no opinion.

Sorry, I should have posted earlier and retracted my comment.  After making it other players made some comments that made me reconsider my position.  We are still discussing the issue on the private side of the board and have not come to a consensus yet, but the leaning is that I am Holy will continue to work with Chamber of Angels.

Ultimately I believe (me as a player not me as an elder) Covenant with Eden will not work with Suicidal Swine Stampede.  The reason being is that I believe Covenant with Eden needs a new play as that will include the ability "protect all characters from removal from the game."  The instead ability will probably not stop the cost from being paid but that protect ability would.  (Although we'll see what ends up happening with the play as for Covenant with Eden because it's one of those cards that probably couldn't have been worded more poorly if we tried.)

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey,

So Cov of eden will no longer discard characters targeted for removal?

If I were giving Covenant of Eden play as it would be, "Protect characters from being removed from the game.  If a character is being removed from the game, discard that character instead."  Which then means that the first ability protects against the trigger for the second ability.  So the second ability would only work if the first ability was interrupted/negated but the second ability wasn't.  Which is really bad card design, but that's what the card says.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly