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Regardless, WttF still won't help you get back any of your demons in your opponent's LoB, since they are not "yours". So no matter what happens, that part of the ability is very unlikely to be very useful.

Aww, you're right

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Regardless, WttF still won't help you get back any of your demons in your opponent's LoB, since they are not "yours". So no matter what happens, that part of the ability is very unlikely to be very useful.

How can that happen to a card that just came out? Cmon guys! Im tired of seeing messed up cards. Did someone not see interaction between DoU/Golgotha? How am i suppose to capture my own demons?
Worse than the First (Di)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: None • Class: Territory • Special Ability: Return up to seven of your generic demons in Tartaros, set-aside area, or Land of Bondage to territory or, search discard pile for a generic demon. • Identifiers: NT, Connected with Demons • Verse: Luke 11:26 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

I think in the future when using the word your in a card playtesters need to look at all ramifications.

We're all human.

well, it sure is a nice if you capture your opponents demons with women as snares, and then play WttF on one of your demons, to release them all to YOUR territory.... that does work, right?

i thought you just had to control them for them to be "yours"?

So...You can redeem an animal and human, but not a demon, right?  That's the official rule'n?

Daniel

 

yes, you can also still redeem captured angels

Seeing as I'm not made of money and have never been to a tournament that was higher than a State level, my playgroup is the only one about which I can speak (and all your exhibits are thus stricken from the record). I and one other regular were the only ones to regularly use speed decks (of which most of your examples fall into). A few others either tried random speed decks or adopted them recently. A few others that visited our playgroup from elsewhere used speed decks (probably the people you claim to be in "the area around" me). That is the extent of "defenselite" in "my area". Our "meta" is very different than the "traditional" meta. We've had a red WC deck win T1-2P on several occasions, if that tells you anything. When Gabe visited last month, his Disciples deck kicked most (if not all) of our butts. So, no, it's not safe to say that defenselite is extremely prevalent in this area as the vast majority of our decks are what you call "balanced". It would very much help your case if you actually got your facts straight .

In regards to herolite, I speak entirely from decks posted on this forum. I see far more herolite deck ideas (especially with Zebulun and Watchful Servant releasing recently) than defenselite ones.

My comment regarding orange being used a lot was in response to both what my playgroup has used and the large number of posted decks I see using orange (which I assume people actually use, but that is perhaps an incorrect assumption).

My facts are perfectly straight, and it amuses me that after saying that you wish MN people would realize that other people play redemption too, you throw out my argument because its comprised entirely of people not in your playgroup? And then you support my argument by saying that people coming to your tournaments are using speed/defense lite decks. When I said 'The area around you' I was referring to both the north central region, and the midwest region. Obviously I can't talk about every single individual playgroup since I don't make it a habit to travel around the country playing with every single redemption group - And I even mentioned that I didn't doubt that your playgroup was using a different meta, and I didn't even say that that was a bad thing, I think its cool that red WC decks were winning tournaments - I'm pretty sure Joshua K. was using one of those red WC decks, and he's a very good player, so I think that plays into it also.

In regards to posted decks, I agree, more people do tend to post defense heavy decks, however I tend to think that the people playing the defense-lite decks are the players like Gabe and I who don't post our decks until after the season.

In response to Pol, I was pretty sure we were talking primarily about last season - In which case using last season's stats is entirely appropriate - Wraith made a comment specifically talking about the top 4 nationals decks, I just expanded it a bit. I agree with you that this season I expect we will see many, many more balanced decks and D heavy decks than speed/offence heavy styles.

How can that happen to a card that just came out? Cmon guys! Im tired of seeing messed up cards. Did someone not see interaction between DoU/Golgotha? How am i suppose to capture my own demons?

I think in the future when using the word your in a card playtesters need to look at all ramifications.

We're all human.

I agree with all of your sentiments. No matter how much oversight there is, there will always be problems, and problematic interactions when you introduce 120 new cards into a card pool of around 2200. I'd like to think that Disciples have the cleanest wording and fewest problems of any set since the beginning, but in order to have unique, different abilities that can involve complicated strategies, we have to live with problems that arise, since no wording would be perfect. I'd like to think that even this set has taught us quite a bit about wording on some of the new/unique types of abilities, and that next set will be an even bigger improvement. Golgotha went through quite a few wording changes, and in the end, probably should have had a few more. But it didn't, and now we're left with trying to decide how it should be dealt with (without inciting revolt).

My hope is that for the next set, we will have plenty of time to playtest, and enough active playtesters to be able to root out problems from the start. But I know that as long as abilities are more complicated than "Do this to that" we're going to end up with problems somewhere along the line.

I agree. You do not need to include the 't' for 'the' in abbreviations that are over 3 letters long. (Proof: It is ROFL, not ROTFL)

Then again, we do kind of need the extra 't' in there, beings we don't want the less intelligent board members to think we're joining the World Taekwondo Federation

i thought it was only 1 "t" the first time i read it and i was like WTFT!(what the french toast)

I can think of a few volunteers, if you need some help i would be glad to point out any discrepencies.