Author Topic: Captured Demons (Read 7602 times)

The Warrior · « **Reply #25 on:** October 12, 2010, 06:28:03 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on October 12, 2010, 01:41:34 PM

There aren't any cards currently that refer to them.

Actually one Card (indirectly) refers to captured demons

Worse than the First (Di)

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: None • Class: Territory • Special Ability: Return up to seven of your generic demons in Tartaros, set-aside area, or Land of Bondage to territory or, search discard pile for a generic demon. • Identifiers: NT, Connected with Demons • Verse: Luke 11:26 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #26 on:** October 12, 2010, 06:35:53 PM »

Maybe he should have said any USEFUL cards...

browarod · « **Reply #27 on:** October 12, 2010, 06:38:23 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 06:35:53 PM

Maybe he should have said any USEFUL cards...

With the current ruling, WttF might be MORE useful than it was intended (since it can get your captured demons back).

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #28 on:** October 12, 2010, 06:45:08 PM »

Quote from: browarod on October 12, 2010, 06:38:23 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 06:35:53 PM
Maybe he should have said any USEFUL cards...
With the current ruling, WttF might be MORE useful than it was intended (since it can get your captured demons back).

It's 100x more useful. Which is still 0. This won't change the fact that people don't use that card. This won't change the fact that people don't use orange. This won't change the fact that people don't use defense.

browarod · « **Reply #29 on:** October 12, 2010, 06:59:19 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 06:45:08 PM

Quote from: browarod on October 12, 2010, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 06:35:53 PM
Maybe he should have said any USEFUL cards...
With the current ruling, WttF might be MORE useful than it was intended (since it can get your captured demons back).
It's 100x more useful. Which is still 0. This won't change the fact that people don't use that card. This won't change the fact that people don't use orange. This won't change the fact that people don't use defense.

And yet I see far more herolite decks than defenselite. Also, orange is used a lot....

everytribe · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2010, 07:17:38 PM »

Quote from: browarod on October 12, 2010, 06:59:19 PM

Also, orange is used a lot....

Not in Minnesota!

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2010, 07:29:49 PM »

Quote from: everytribe on October 12, 2010, 07:17:38 PM

Quote from: browarod on October 12, 2010, 06:59:19 PM
Also, orange is used a lot....

Not in Minnesota!

That depends on which county you live in:

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2010, 08:25:09 PM »

theological silliness.

SirNobody · « **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2010, 09:02:23 PM »

Hey,

I have an Evil Character that is a demon. It gets captured. The rules say that it then becomes a captured Evil Character.

I have an Evil Character that is a demon. It gets captured. I assume that it then qualifies as a "captured demon."

A captured Evil Character is a neutral card. This new ruling says a captured demon is an evil card. So my demon is now both a neutral card and an evil card?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2010, 09:05:17 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on October 12, 2010, 09:02:23 PM

Hey,

I have an Evil Character that is a demon. It gets captured. The rules say that it then becomes a captured Evil Character.

I have an Evil Character that is a demon. It gets captured. I assume that it then qualifies as a "captured demon."

A captured Evil Character is a neutral card. This new ruling says a captured demon is an evil card. So my demon is now both a neutral card and an evil card?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

i assume the new rule takes precedence over the old rule making it evil

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2010, 09:22:02 PM »

Quote from: browarod on October 12, 2010, 06:59:19 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: browarod on October 12, 2010, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 06:35:53 PM
Maybe he should have said any USEFUL cards...
With the current ruling, WttF might be MORE useful than it was intended (since it can get your captured demons back).
It's 100x more useful. Which is still 0. This won't change the fact that people don't use that card. This won't change the fact that people don't use orange. This won't change the fact that people don't use defense.
And yet I see far more herolite decks than defenselite. Also, orange is used a lot....

Where have you been? I know for a fact that 3 of the 4 top decks in T1-2P were defenselite.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2010, 09:48:48 PM »

So, can Worse than the First get my generic demon from LOB? Road apples are not apples, and captured demons are not demons....

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #37 on:** October 12, 2010, 09:51:48 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on October 12, 2010, 09:48:48 PM

So, can Worse than the First get my generic demon from LOB? Road apples are not apples, and captured demons are not demons....

it already could do that, nothing changed there

all good

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #38 on:** October 12, 2010, 09:53:09 PM »

So why are peanuts nuts? I am confus :c.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #39 on:** October 12, 2010, 11:48:52 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on October 12, 2010, 09:53:09 PM

So why are peanuts nuts? I am confus :c.

Might have something to do with the fact that all words containing 'nut' are considered nuts. Brazil nuts, walnuts, chestnuts, peanuts, donuts....

browarod · « **Reply #40 on:** October 13, 2010, 02:52:03 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 09:22:02 PM

Quote from: browarod on October 12, 2010, 06:59:19 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: browarod on October 12, 2010, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 06:35:53 PM
Maybe he should have said any USEFUL cards...
With the current ruling, WttF might be MORE useful than it was intended (since it can get your captured demons back).
It's 100x more useful. Which is still 0. This won't change the fact that people don't use that card. This won't change the fact that people don't use orange. This won't change the fact that people don't use defense.
And yet I see far more herolite decks than defenselite. Also, orange is used a lot....
Where have you been? I know for a fact that 3 of the 4 top decks in T1-2P were defenselite.

I've been in Wisconsin, actually. Despite the prevailing attitude on this board, Minnesota and Nationals are not where the only important facets of the game happen. I wish you people would remember that there are others out there that play Redemption.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #41 on:** October 13, 2010, 03:20:39 AM »

Exhibit A - North Central Regionals (A tournament more than a few Wisconsinites attended) - I won with a defense lite deck, Rawrlsauce placed second with defense lite, Sir Nobody placed third with a balanced deck.

Exhibit B - Nationals - soulseeker won with a defense liteish deck, Nic Marshall took second, I'm pretty sure he was running a teal/tomb copy. tyler stevens took third with a Defense deck, Gabe took fourth with a semi-balanced deck.

Exhibit C - Midwest Regionals - (of which WI is a part) - I honestly don't know what Clint Marshall was running, but I'm pretty sure it was d-lite, Nic took second, with his Teal/Tomb copy, and I'm pretty sure soulseeker took third with his d-lite.

So I think it is fairly safe to say that defenselite decks were extremely prevelant, both in the national scene, and the area around you, even if it wasn't in your playgroup.

browarod · « **Reply #42 on:** October 13, 2010, 03:53:16 AM »

Seeing as I'm not made of money and have never been to a tournament that was higher than a State level, my playgroup is the only one about which I can speak (and all your exhibits are thus stricken from the record). I and one other regular were the only ones to regularly use speed decks (of which most of your examples fall into). A few others either tried random speed decks or adopted them recently. A few others that visited our playgroup from elsewhere used speed decks (probably the people you claim to be in "the area around" me). That is the extent of "defenselite" in "my area". Our "meta" is very different than the "traditional" meta. We've had a red WC deck win T1-2P on several occasions, if that tells you anything. When Gabe visited last month, his Disciples deck kicked most (if not all) of our butts. So, no, it's not safe to say that defenselite is extremely prevalent in this area as the vast majority of our decks are what you call "balanced". It would very much help your case if you actually got your facts straight

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In regards to herolite, I speak entirely from decks posted on this forum. I see far more herolite deck ideas (especially with Zebulun and Watchful Servant releasing recently) than defenselite ones.

My comment regarding orange being used a lot was in response to both what my playgroup has used and the large number of posted decks I see using orange (which I assume people actually use, but that is perhaps an incorrect assumption).

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #43 on:** October 13, 2010, 06:43:32 AM »

Using stats from last season is irrelevant since last season didn't have this seasons' cards.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #44 on:** October 13, 2010, 08:35:16 AM »

I'm expecting to see a little more defense this year (I'm running a few more cards...) but offense heavy is still going to be the way to go. Crimson is now rockin', sorry black.

Also, why can Worst than the First get my demon from LOB? That makes absolutely no sense to me. I think it needs an errata.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #45 on:** October 13, 2010, 10:16:26 AM »

I thought it could?

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #46 on:** October 13, 2010, 10:21:36 AM »

It says you may return up to seven of your generic demons from LOB. You can't do that beings, after being captured, they aren't demons, they are captured demons.

Similarly, AOCP says to discard all ECs. Captured ECs would not be discarded because they aren't ECs, they are captured ECs.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #47 on:** October 13, 2010, 10:25:35 AM »

Quote from: SirNobody on October 12, 2010, 09:02:23 PM

A captured Evil Character is a neutral card. This new ruling says a captured demon is an evil card. So my demon is now both a neutral card and an evil card?

Finally I see at least one of the motivations behind you push to add more special language about demons that get captured. Anyway Rob said that they will still be evil cards, therefore that's what I'm gonna call them. LSs are neutral (which is why other captured characters are considered neutral), but since demons don't turn into LSs, I think it makes sense that they stay evil.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on October 12, 2010, 09:53:09 PM

So why are peanuts nuts?

Peanuts actually are NOT nuts. They are legumes, which is closer to a lima bean than a nut.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #48 on:** October 13, 2010, 10:45:34 AM »

still dont like it.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #49 on:** October 13, 2010, 11:03:34 AM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on October 13, 2010, 10:21:36 AM

It says you may return up to seven of your generic demons from LOB. You can't do that beings, after being captured, they aren't demons, they are captured demons.

Similarly, AOCP says to discard all ECs. Captured ECs would not be discarded because they aren't ECs, they are captured ECs.

Covenant of Palestine got a Play As that reads "Captured Heroes in Lands of Bondage" even though the card says "Heroes in Lands of Bondage". I'm assuming this was because "Heroes in Lands of Bondage" makes no sense. I hope that Worse than the First gets a similar Play As, or simply that "X in Land of Bondage" where X is a character type, is defined as equivalent to "captured X in LoB". Regardless, Worse than the First still won't help you get back any of your demons in your opponent's LoB, since they are not "yours". So no matter what happens, that part of the ability is very unlikely to be very useful.

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Author Topic: Captured Demons (Read 7602 times)

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