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Can someone explain how exactly this site works? I'm mostly confused on the "give an opponent a black cannite" part. Is that to the opponent's territory, or to their land of bondage?

Wherever the character was when you gave it to them. Canaanites have one of the most roundabout ways of soulgenning.

You can't give them a captured Canaanite in your LoB because afaik lost souls don't have brigades (so it wouldn't meet the "black Canaanite" requirement).

I wasn't referring to that. I was simply asking where do I put the canaanite.

I didn't realize it said black. I know that it was meant to be a method of soul-genning, and nobody ever plays those cards so I hadn't been exposed to it much, but if it does indeed specify a black Canaanite it doesn't work as intended.

I didn't realize it said black. I know that it was meant to be a method of soul-genning, and nobody ever plays those cards so I hadn't been exposed to it much, but if it does indeed specify a black Canaanite it doesn't work as intended.

Where are you getting the information that it was meant as a soul gen?  Because I've never heard that nor thought that, I thought it was just meant to capture a hero. (Although you can do a sort of roundabout soul-gen by capturing a hero then sending them over with Shechem).

Quote from: Minister Polarius on February 29, 2012, 08:11:17 PM

I didn't realize it said black. I know that it was meant to be a method of soul-genning, and nobody ever plays those cards so I hadn't been exposed to it much, but if it does indeed specify a black Canaanite it doesn't work as intended.

Where are you getting the information that it was meant as a soul gen?  Because I've never heard that nor thought that, I thought it was just meant to capture a hero. (Although you can do a sort of roundabout soul-gen by capturing a hero then sending them over with Shechem).

Pol had missed the part where it said "Black Canaanite", and thought you could give them one that you had captured in your LoB (thus, putting it in their LoB).  However, since it must be still in play as an Evil Character, this does not work.  If you read his last post, he realized this and said it did not work as Soul Gen.  However, that is where the confusion came from.

As for your @Everyone:  Yes, you can use this ability at any time as far as I know.  HOWEVER:  Note that it does not interrupt, so you could do it during battle but NOT while another ability is completing.  Also, it cannot capture heroes in battle (ability copied below for reference, it is specifically territory), so it still cannot win a battle, but you could do it if you so desire.  And there are definitely reasons to do it

Canaan (RA2)

Type: Site • Brigade: Purple • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Canaanites in territory from conversion. You may discard this Site and give an opponent a black Canaanite to capture a Hero in that territory.

Where's the lack of common sense icon?

I'm well aware of this, and it's stupid. There is no reason to have an arbitrary rule like this that creates an exception and isn't intuitive to stop one specific situation that's not only nowhere near broken, but not even that good.

Example of how unintuitive the rule is. I know there are bigger fish to fry atm, but this bad rule has been on the books for far too long. Can't we just fix it now?

Example of how unintuitive the rule is. I know there are bigger fish to fry atm, but this bad rule has been on the books for far too long. Can't we just fix it now?

Actually, I think the rule did get simpler recently.  They ruled that captured characters are no longer characters, so that means that identifiers no longer matter.  They are just captured heroes/ECs and captured characters, not characters.  And not-characters have no identifiers.

Hey,

Quote from: Redoubter on May 14, 2012, 09:11:54 PM

Actually, I think the rule did get simpler recently.  They ruled that captured characters are no longer characters, so that means that identifiers no longer matter.  They are just captured heroes/ECs and captured characters, not characters.  And not-characters have no identifiers.

Non-characters do still have identifiers.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Now you're confusing me.  Are you trying to say that they still have identifiers, but everything in the game just ignores that fact?  It seems more logical to lump this in with the ruling that captured characters are no longer characters, and thus have no identifiers.

Um, if a Captured Character is no longer a Character, then how can any effect that mentions Captured Heroes or Captured Characters do anything since they are not Captured Characters?

They are captured characters.  They are captured heroes/ECs and captured characters, but they are not just characters.  There is a difference (that has actually been in the rules for years, it just got expanded/clarified during the Sam ruling).

That makes no sense. Either it's a Character or not, 'captured' notes it's status, this ruling makes about as much sense as a guy that wants to exterminate Humanity.