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Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« on: June 06, 2019, 05:24:43 PM »
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Can you have Noah Ark and Noah Ark Ark of salvation in the same deck by putting one in reserve
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2019, 05:25:22 PM »
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Pretty sure "no."
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2019, 06:13:18 PM »
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I don’t see anywhere in the DB rules that would disqualify it from both being in the same T1 deck, unless I missed something.
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2019, 04:31:59 PM »
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Any elders can answers this for me thanks
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2019, 09:27:47 AM »
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2019, 12:00:02 PM »
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I agree that there's nothing in the current rules stopping them from being in the same deck.

That was not the intent, and will not be the case after Nationals. Whether there's a minor REG update to fix it prior to Nats is under discussion.
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2019, 01:00:47 PM »
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Quote from: RedemptionAggie on June 10, 2019, 12:00:02 PM
I agree that there's nothing in the current rules stopping them from being in the same deck.

That was not the intent, and will not be the case after Nationals. Whether there's a minor REG update to fix it prior to Nats is under discussion.

There's nothing on either card stating that it can't be in the same deck as the other.  Seems like it'd be easy to simply not worry about it.  Let the players (primarily newer players) build their decks without worrying about the REG.

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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2019, 01:28:31 PM »
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 +1 100%.

I see no reason why Ark of Salvation shouldn’t be in the deck/Reserve with Noah’s Ark. If an entire offense revolves around one card in order for it to properly work/be effective then it’s intuitive to have two versions of that card in a deck in the event that one version is removed from that player’s control. I did this to my opponent a couple different games and it crippled his offense (he couldn’t recur it from the DC pile either bc I banished it).

In my opinion it actually seems like the whole point of that second ark was to intentionally support the ark theme by having both in your deck in the event the original ark was gone. The AoS isn’t even that great of a card, particularly when you have cards like Japheth’s Wife and The Rainbow that don’t even work properly with it.
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2019, 01:54:05 PM »
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The AoS isn’t even that great of a card

I never considered it to be very good either, but last night I played a game where my opponent was using it, and I realized just how effective it was at keeping his TC Heroes safe. It's certainly not as good as the original Ark for a Flood Survivor deck, but it is much more usable in other decks.
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 02:11:38 PM »
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I don't see any reason why they couldn't be in the same deck, but I think they shouldn't be in play at the same time.
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Re: Can you have Noah Ark and Noah ark Ark of Salvation in the same deck
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2019, 03:08:28 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on June 11, 2019, 01:54:05 PM
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The AoS isn’t even that great of a card

I never considered it to be very good either, but last night I played a game where my opponent was using it, and I realized just how effective it was at keeping his TC Heroes safe. It's certainly not as good as the original Ark for a Flood Survivor deck, but it is much more usable in other decks.

I'll actually second this. The fact that it protects "Heroes in territory" and not your heroes is especially good when combo'd with something like Remnant or Flying Scroll, and the fact that it's in set aside (and therefore much harder to target) gives it a big edge over its main competition for territory protection (12 Gates).
If old Covenant of Noah still worked as intended I'd try to find space for them in a lot of decks.
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