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Please make sure you tell everyone this rule, especially Type 2 players.

I forgot to tell my own son this rule, and today he learned that his 4x Night Raids didn't keep his opponent from introducing new copies of unique characters.  He went on to lose the Type 2 game as a result.  He is going to modify his deck now. 

Quote from: Bryon on April 28, 2012, 09:01:45 PM

Please make sure you tell everyone this rule, especially Type 2 players.

I forgot to tell my own son this rule, and today he learned that his 4x Night Raids didn't keep his opponent from introducing new copies of unique characters.  He went on to lose the Type 2 game as a result.  He is going to modify his deck now. 

Welp, nobody can say you're biased.

I can. HE'S BIASED! 

If a card targets "David," it targets all Davids, including the king. If it says "King David" it only targets King David.

I think I already know the answer to this, but I want to be sure because I saw some discussion that looked like it was going the other way.

If Midwives is trying to bring back a Hero that you already control, nothing happens. If there are two of the same Hero in your Discard Pile and none you control, both come back and one gets discarded (since she targets both at the same time and at that time there are no copies already in play). Similarly, if Creation of the World is played, all Genesis heroes you already control remain in deck, and any you do not control come out all at once, (step I'm unsure of), and all but one are Discarded. The step I am not sure of is whether they enter battle en paradox and are then discarded, or are somehow discarded while still in limbo.

If Midwives is trying to bring back a Hero that you already control, nothing happens. If there are two of the same Hero in your Discard Pile and none you control, both come back and one gets discarded (since she targets both at the same time and at that time there are no copies already in play). Similarly, if Creation of the World is played, all Genesis heroes you already control remain in deck, and any you do not control come out all at once, (step I'm unsure of), and all but one are Discarded. The step I am not sure of is whether they enter battle en paradox and are then discarded, or are somehow discarded while still in limbo.

Great question.

I take this rule: A card is protected from any ability that would cause that card to become a second copy of a unique character controlled by a single player. 

to mean that once I've selected one hero with Creation otW or Midwives, I can't select another.  I know that "all" cards are technically targeted by the ability simultaneously, but in reality, we select them one at a time.  I could be wrong on this, though.

I would really support and appreciate this understanding of the rule because...

1) It is intuitive (if a player understands that duplicates cannot enter play, their natural response is to avoid abilities that would cause that to happen).

2) It is consistent with other "Simultaneous, yet Consecutive" rulings such as Captain before Strong Angel and Lockdown LS before Shuffler LS.

...I love that we're getting some of this stuff nailed out before the next rulebook, thanks for all the hard work elders!

I thought of another instance where this "simultaneous, yet consecutive" thing might need to be followed:

A mass band enhancement (Siege, Second Seal) that brings in a King Saul hero from one territory and a King Saul EC from another player's territory.  There isn't one in battle, so neither is protected from the initial targeting of "all," but once one has been selected to enter battle, the second can't enter.  Does that make sense?

Now that we're here, why not drop the last instance of "simultaneously" in Redemption and have mass banders enter battle one-at-a-time? That would solve so many problems.