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I remember asking and trying to nail down when they activate 2 and 3 years ago but never got an answer.  I also would still like to know. 

I think those combos are powerful but not broken.  Could the placed card be considered in with the group of "gained" abilities so it is not last but keeps triggers consistent?

That's all well and good but there are tournaments going on now that need an interim answer so judges know how to rule.

I'm bumping this because it needs to be answered last year.

Hey,

I still agree with myself   There has been no discussion of the topic amongst the other playtesters that I am aware of.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Come on Gabe.... you know you want to touch it. 

lol

I guarantee they'll start talking about it once one of you invent a broken combo that wins every tournament you enter.   


So get to work!   

its already been invented. probably why the OP originally asked.

Oh, yes it has.

triggered enhancements happen after ctb.

I think Mike got his ruling at a tournament we missed, as I don't remember hearing that, and Bryon didn't specifically say that when we talked couple of months ago (quoted below), though it is consistent.  It sounded like Bryon wants the playtesters to revisit it, but I'm not sure if it was just a passing comment or actually on a to-do list.

Spoke to Bryon at his local tournament today, and had printouts of various quotes from this thread.

His thoughts:
- Triggers shouldn't happen before banding, or else cards like the Demon Discard LS would work before the banding happens.
- The use of "immediately" made him question it happening after everything else.
- He thinks that if they were to make similar cards in the future, they would likely be specially classified as 'pre-load' cards (forgot what actual term he used), and all 'pre-load' cards would have their own spot on that list.

Now that "immediately" is essentially meaningless, I'm not really sure where he stands.  Bryon?

As worded, the "preloaded" enhancement activates as an automatic response to the character entering battle.  Responses to characters entering battle happen AFTER all other abilities complete.

That being said, there MIGHT be a new rule about "preload" similar to this:

"Preload allows a player to place an enhancement on a character of matching brigade in his territory.  That enhancement activates as it enters battle.  Immediately after the preloaded enhancement takes effect, discard that enhancement."

That would make them happen at the same time as weapons.  If this rule were to be written, it would mean that the sentences on Agur and friends (the next time that hero enters battle, that enhancement activates and is discarded immediately) would be treated as clarifying text, and not really a special ability in itself (similar to the clarifying text on Hunger and the pale green Prince of this World).  It also means that those abilities could be a lot shorter in the future.  While it is unlikely that Cactus will make many more new cards with that type of ability, the possibility of reprints does exist.

This is under discussion by the playtesters now.  I'll let you know what becomes of it.  You are free to voice your preference, but only if you promise not to be bent out of shape if it doesn't end up how you want it. 

For the record, I'll be perfectly happy either way. 

I'm fine either way it's ruled but i just wanted to know since it affects my deck ^_^