Cactus Game Design Message Boards

1. for the site share LS, what if it is negated the phase after its placed? does it stay in site if it was put in there by it's ability?  what if it is exchanged with the wanderer LS while in a site by its ability?

site sharer (paraphrased) may be placed in a site with another LS

2.  my deck is protected from opponents by the 4 living creatures.  can my opponent shuffle a card into my deck?

Does the wanderer get kicked out of the site if he switches with the site share?

2.  my deck is protected from opponents by the 4 living creatures.  can my opponent shuffle a card into my deck?

can we get an affirmative ruling on this? if your hand and deck are protected, can they shuffle cards into your deck? deck is absolutely a target in terms of shuffling

i guess what i'm feeling like is when it says shuffle this card you have to be targeting deck as an opponent

i understand the ruling but it just seems like deck is definitely still a target of an opponents ability

right but from a programming perspective you have to code those things in as targets for action

thanks for the ruling though

right but from a programming perspective you have to code those things in as targets for action

thanks for the ruling though

Since you talk about applying a "programming perspective" to Redemption so much I'll assume you understand that you can't just put words in a program and it knows what you want, you have to define everything. Redemption already works like this is many ways, one of which is that words on cards and in the REG aren't actually English words but Card Language, where specific words have specific definitions in how they relate to the game. For "target", it's not English for "whatever the ability interacts with", the "target" of an ability is a variable that is defined in the REG. In the case of shuffle, "target" is defined as the card being shuffled. Your argument for shuffle targeting the deck would only be valid if Redemption were less like a program.

I mean, as a programmer if I read the sentence, I would first target the cards in question for shuffle and then put those cards on top of the deck and apply a "shuffle" method/function/procedure that already knows to randomly place the cards in the deck. So the ability would call upon a method the deck uses but the actual cards in question would be the main focus of the ability.

If an ability did target an opponent's deck for shuffling and that was the main purpose of said ability, the deck would be targeted but then I would still apply the shuffling "method" to the deck. The same functionality is used in both cases but the parameter of the target changes. (in the first case, its the cards and in the second case its the deck.)