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Isn't "Restrict" old wording for protect? Can't we reasonably conclude that Burial Shroud protects lost souls from rescue by heroes?
Quote from: lp670sv on February 08, 2012, 12:02:26 AMIsn't "Restrict" old wording for protect? Can't we reasonably conclude that Burial Shroud protects lost souls from rescue by heroes?Restrict is it's own ability now, with it's own ramifications, implications, friends, enemies, and Myspace.
Version 1.2:Opponent is restricted from initiating a battle. Holder is restricted from initiating a rescue attempt. If holder's hero gains access to a lost soul, holder is restricted from rescuing a lost soul during battle resolution.
Lawman,All the things you've said are what we've been processing... yet we arrive at the same issue:We need to interpret Burial Shroud in such a way that we understand the implications and applications of a battle-challenge-gone-rescue-attempt. QuoteVersion 1.2:Opponent is restricted from initiating a battle. Holder is restricted from initiating a rescue attempt. If holder's hero gains access to a lost soul, holder is restricted from rescuing a lost soul during battle resolution.If we use this approach, rather than trying to build in some kind of "game-rule-repel" against heroes, we simply acknowledge that the player is restricted from rescuing a soul at resolution. Forcing a character out of battle by game rule isn't unprecedented (conversion), just not preferred.
Rescuer’s ChoiceBefore a player begins a rescue attempt, he must announce which Lost Soul he is trying to rescue. That is the only Lost Soul he is eligible to rescue. If that particular Lost Soul is taken out of play prior to the end of the battle (by Burial, Son of God, or New Jerusalem), then the rescuer will not rescue a Lost Soul even if his forces win the battle. NOTE: Type II Tournament Rules are always played under the Rescuer’s Choice rule.
Before a player begins a rescue attempt, he must announce which Lost Soul he is trying to rescue.
The battle is considered a rescue attempt if a Hero has access to a Lost Soul at any point in the battle.
QuoteBefore a player begins a rescue attempt, he must announce which Lost Soul he is trying to rescue.QuoteThe battle is considered a rescue attempt if a Hero has access to a Lost Soul at any point in the battle.These two quotes lead me to believe that you don't have the ability to not select a soul if you have access to one in T2.
Red Warrior, your proposed wording would actually allow the user to play Primary Objective to still potentially win a soul.
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on February 08, 2012, 10:45:16 AMQuoteBefore a player begins a rescue attempt, he must announce which Lost Soul he is trying to rescue.QuoteThe battle is considered a rescue attempt if a Hero has access to a Lost Soul at any point in the battle.These two quotes lead me to believe that you don't have the ability to not select a soul if you have access to one in T2.But I'm not beginning a rescue attempt. I'm declaring a battle challenge. Remember, it's already been ruled that I can choose a lost soul that I don't initially have access to, which is essentially declaring a rescue attempt when it starts as a battle challenge.
Quote from: STAMP on February 08, 2012, 10:51:21 AMQuote from: Chronic Apathy on February 08, 2012, 10:45:16 AMQuoteBefore a player begins a rescue attempt, he must announce which Lost Soul he is trying to rescue.QuoteThe battle is considered a rescue attempt if a Hero has access to a Lost Soul at any point in the battle.These two quotes lead me to believe that you don't have the ability to not select a soul if you have access to one in T2.But I'm not beginning a rescue attempt. I'm declaring a battle challenge. Remember, it's already been ruled that I can choose a lost soul that I don't initially have access to, which is essentially declaring a rescue attempt when it starts as a battle challenge.You still cannot choose to not select a soul if one is available. Choosing one you don't have access too and not choosing are different.
QuoteThe battle is considered a rescue attempt if a Hero has access to a Lost Soul at any point in the battle.This quote still has merit, however. Special abilities can change game rules (for instance, Primary Objective changing this rule), however my argument is that in Type II, if a Lost Soul is available at the beginning of a battle, that battle must be a rescue attempt, as per that quote from the REG.
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The effect starts upon activation (Your prep phase) and lasts for an entire round.
Quote from: SomeKittens on February 08, 2012, 03:40:40 PMThe effect starts upon activation (Your prep phase) and lasts for an entire round.So wait, at the beginning of my next turn, do I have to flip it face down if I don't want it to take effect? Yes Also, what about cards like Unholy writ? Wouldn't the same logic state that I would have to use it's effect immediately upon activation? No, as UW's ability is a "may" ability. (I.E. it is optional, so you chose when to use it. See Holy Grail/Charms.)
BS is a "may" ability too