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kariusvega

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territory class characters and abilities
« on: May 28, 2015, 11:35:36 PM »
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priest of zues is in territory ishmaiah banded to israelite archer draws 2 then bands to jeph discards top card and discards an evil character and the poz. does poz still get to discard a card from opponents territory or not because he was discarded before the other abilities completed? thanks!!
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2015, 12:38:47 AM »
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I'm fairly certain Priest of Zeus will still trigger and discard a card from opponent's territory. Basically because his ability was active when the draw happened and wasn't interrupted.
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2015, 09:01:47 AM »
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CS is correct.

EDIT: Nvm. See below.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2015, 09:44:52 AM by Professoralstad »
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2015, 09:12:36 AM »
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Disagree. Built into the definition of territory class characters is the idea that they have to be in play to activate. Because PoZ gets discarded by jepthah he doesn't get to discard
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2015, 09:16:51 AM »
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Hmm...I'd have to defer to John on that one, as I haven't been around the boards much since the advent of TC characters. I'm not a fan of the logic there, since PoZ was in play when the draw occurred and should have been a pending trigger there, but unless another Elder who has been more involved in ruling questions the last year disagrees, please use RDTs ruling at this point, and I will try to get some clarity on that point.
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2015, 09:38:32 AM »
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Because of the way TC characters are defined, RDT is correct.
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2015, 10:03:58 AM »
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It hasn't come yet but an official announcement pertaining to triggered abilities is coming soon I believe.

Basically it will be saying an ability must be in play/set aside to be triggered.  If it is discarded and the trigger occurs after the discard the triggered effect will not occur.

For instance I use DoN on Golden Cheribum then enter battle with auto for the d2.  Golden Cheribum will not get to search because it wasn't in play to be triggered.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2015, 10:19:13 AM »
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Quote from: jbeers285 on May 29, 2015, 10:03:58 AM
It hasn't come yet but an official announcement pertaining to triggered abilities is coming soon I believe.

Basically it will be saying an ability must be in play/set aside to be triggered.  If it is discarded and the trigger occurs after the discard the triggered effect will not occur.

For instance I use DoN on Golden Cheribum then enter battle with auto for the d2.  Golden Cheribum will not get to search because it wasn't in play to be triggered.

This rule/situation doesn't really apply here, because the cards were drawn when the card was in play, but the card was not in play when the ability could actually trigger.

I'll have to see it I missed the discussion you referenced in getting caught up the last few days.
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2015, 10:24:39 AM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on May 29, 2015, 10:19:13 AM
This rule/situation doesn't really apply here, because the cards were drawn when the card was in play, but the card was not in play when the ability could actually trigger.

I would disagree based on the fact that the trigger is still waiting to activate, and cannot do so between abilities, and so if the card is removed from play there could be no activation when legal to do so.  Being triggered and being able to complete are two different things.

This is also why nothing has been announced yet, since we still have discussions to hammer out, and we want a comprehensive definition :)
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Re: territory class characters and abilities
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2015, 11:19:22 AM »
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Quote from: Redoubter on May 29, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
Quote from: Professoralstad on May 29, 2015, 10:19:13 AM
This rule/situation doesn't really apply here, because the cards were drawn when the card was in play, but the card was not in play when the ability could actually trigger.

I would disagree based on the fact that the trigger is still waiting to activate, and cannot do so between abilities, and so if the card is removed from play there could be no activation when legal to do so.  Being triggered and being able to complete are two different things.

This is also why nothing has been announced yet, since we still have discussions to hammer out, and we want a comprehensive definition :)

My apology, I thought that was resolved.
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Re: territory class characters and abilities
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2015, 02:31:30 PM »
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in a similar way with abilities completing if wandering spirit reveals a demon like messenger of satan while crown of thorns is active and messenger is added to territory can wandering demon still band to messenger of satan to also activate his abilities or is he doa?
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2015, 02:54:42 PM »
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Wandering can band to him, then Messenger uses his ability, then once all associated abilities complete, Messenger goes back to the bottom of your deck (by WS instead ability).
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2015, 04:26:15 PM »
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opponent has poz in their territory and i have placed abom in their territory. i play mayhem to dc their poz with abom. does their poz activate to dc a card in my territory even though i am trying to dc their poz with abom? which happens first or which happens at all?

poz
If an opponent draws because of their special ability, you may discard a card in that player's territory (except a Lost Soul). Cannot be interrupted.

abom
If used by a Greek, place in opponent's territory. Each time opponent draws cards (except during draw phase), you may discard a card in that territory except a Lost Soul.
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2015, 04:55:19 PM »
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No, PoZ would not complete:

Quote from: REG 3.0.0 > Triggered Ability
Triggered abilities are either optional or mandatory. Optional triggered abilities will be designated with a “may” or similar wording, while mandatory abilities simply describe the outcome without giving a choice. Optional triggered abilities may only be activated while the card it is on is controlled by the holder and is either in play or set aside area. Mandatory triggered abilities that are not negated​persist at least until the end of the current phase, even if the card leaves play or
set aside, unless the card specifies otherwise. While triggered abilities are triggered by a condition or situation happening, they may not insert themselves between other abilities to resolve. Instead, they are pending until all other abilities resolve, and then the triggered event may activate
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2015, 06:15:53 PM »
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I think he get's that. His question was, which triggers first, Abomb (to d/c PoZ) or PoZ. And the rule here, I believe, is which ever was in play first triggers first.
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2015, 07:51:56 PM »
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Quote from: Praeceps on November 04, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
I think he get's that. His question was, which triggers first, Abomb (to d/c PoZ) or PoZ. And the rule here, I believe, is which ever was in play first triggers first.

this really is more my question i think because i feel like they are simultaneously on going so is this true would it be whichever was in play first? i think that's what tim said
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