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It would copy ehud.

I don't think that's right... unless there is an errata on Book of Jashar than I don't think either situation would work.

Book's ability would make it a negate, but your hero wold have to be in battle for the ability to complete and negate the evil enhancement.

So what we have here are 3 "major players" who disagree on whether BoJ would be allowed to be played (as a negate) on a character who is being removed by special ability.  Personally, I agree with RCuz and JSB23 that it would NOT be allowed to be played.  But unless RR would like to reconsider his first impression, we'll need a PTB to rule on this in order to be considered "official".

My idea is that the "special initiative" to play a card when you are being removed from battle ONLY allows a "negate" or "interrupt" type card to be played.  Book of Jashar is NOT classified in the REG (new or old) as a "negate" or "interrupt" type of card.  Therefore it can't be played.

As to the argument that as soon as you play it, it becomes that type of card, I don't think that the check happens after the card is played, but before.  We don't get to play any card we want in these situations and then see afterward whether they were negate cards.  We have to check them while they're still in our hand, and if they aren't negate cards, we don't get to play them.

So what do you say, RR.  Convinced, or do you still think it is allowed to be played?

only an interrupt card can be played in the described situation. boj is not an interrupt card.

But since it is my initiative when you capture/discard me I can play an interrupt or negate if the capture/discard is not CBN - ok? Book of Jashar could negate it if there was a negate beforehand because as soon as you play it is the card played before it. It is that card it is no longer book of jashar it is that card, "an exact duplicate"

But the Book of Jashar is NOT a negate or interrupt card, so you CAN'T play it. Play meaning it isn't a copy of Ehud's Dagger until you PLAY it.  BoJ does not interrupt the capture card, therefore it cannot be played until AFTER the capture card has been resolved; since the capture card resolves first, there is no hero to PLAY BoJ on.

I guess the real question here is as mr. underwood stated, when is a card declared an interrupt/negate for check purposes.

the special ability does not say interrupt. thus it can't. my 2 cents.

 

powers that be. the people that make the official rulings.

there is no way to know what boj will be until it is played. boj does not inherently have an interrupt ability, therefore you cannot use it as an interrupt on your hero being removed from battle.

there is no way to know what boj will be until it is played.

I disagree, we already know what the last enhancement played was, it was a negate.  We know it will be a negate.

boj does not inherently have an interrupt ability

Correct however it gains one from the previously played negate.

therefore you cannot use it as an interrupt on your hero being removed from battle.

Therefore, I can use it as an interrupt on my hero being removed from battle.

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there is no way to know what boj will be until it is played.

I disagree, we already know what the last enhancement played was, it was a negate.  We know it will be a negate.

Except its SA doesnt activate until it is played, you can ONLY play an interrupt/negate in these situations, not something that "will eventually end up as a negate"


Since its first ability is not an interrupt, it cannot be allowed to procede to the second step of copying the previous enhancement.

what it will be and what it currently is are two completely different things. both madness and deafening spirit will both be evil characters after the effect has been carried out. however, you cannot block with either from hand as an evil character.

This is a good example to show that we must treat cards as they are, not what they will be.

I view the ability as an identifier, it defines what it does.

It obviously CAN'T be an identifier because everyone knows that you can negate Book of Jashar.  And everyone also knows that you can NOT negate identifiers.

What is a PTB? A poll? I don't know.

The "Powers That Be" would basically be Rob, Bryon, Mike B., and any of the playtesters when they specifically state that they are informing the board of a decision that was made on the playtester board.

I fully accept this conclusion, thank you Bryon.

This also means that Answer to Prayer cannot begin a loopsearch for BoJ's...

We should remake BoJ with an identifier rather than an ability!

Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on May 18, 2010, 10:52:40 PM

Does the Book of Jashar have "Interrupt" in it's special ability?  If not, then the enhancement itself does not enter play/battle until AFTER the discard has resolved.  Since it's after the discard ability has resolved, the character is no longer in battle and thus can no longer be "Enhanced" so BoJ is not played 

Correct

Book got nerfed.